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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:26 PM
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Warp wrote:
Are there any entries of the "glitched" category that aren't also the main default WR "fastest any%" entry (ie. the main unnamed branch)?
Nope. The term "glitched" isn't used in branch names any more, because nobody has been able to provide an objective and workable definition of "glitched" that is different from "any%". "Any%" or the default unlabeled branch for any game is the fastest run of that game, and can use all known glitches. Runs that show off more of the game at the expense of being slower use their branch name to explain how they're different (e.g. "no warps" or "no inventory glitch"). Since this second group also tends to use glitches, the term "glitched" is no longer in use as a branch name.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:34 AM
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zaphod77 wrote:
As i understand it, "glitched" generally means "skips most of the darn game by breaking it to pieces."
No, that's what "TAS" means :D
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Posted: 12/10/2013 10:35 AM
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CoolKirby wrote:
As for the last two, would "less glitched low%" and "less glitched low%, speedbooster" be okay? Or just "low%" and "low%, speedbooster"?
I think they do need the "less glitched" labels, because these runs more-or-less arbitrarily decided not to use certain glitches while still using other glitches (as the original judge states, "very little attempt is made in the submission text to define what makes a run ‘’legit’’ in the authors mind, and the issue is further clouded by admitting to abusing other glitches."). On the other hand, the label "low%" is dubious since both runs complete 14% of the game, whereas our any% run completes only 6%. I'm sure the die-hard Metroid fans can explain this better, but it appears that these runs aim for 14% completion and therefore avoid all glitches that would let the game be completed with less than 14%. Like I said, can of worms; I don't think we have runs with such goals for any other game on the site. So anyway, "less glitched low%" or "less glitched 14%" would work. Plus speedbooster for the other run, of course.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 12:27 PM
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Ok, I'll try to tackle the Super Metroid issue. There are a whopping seven runs of this game on the site. Looking over their subtitles, I find the following:
  • "100%" - correctly named
  • "Reverse boss order" - correct
  • "Glitched" - should be unlabeled, this is the current fastest any% run
  • (unlabeled) - should be "No X-Ray glitch", as that is the glitch it doesn't use. Although one could make a case for the "glitched" run above obsoleting both this one and the "any% ingame" one.
  • "Any% ingame" - should be "lowest ingame timer, no X-Ray glitch". Note that this is the only run on the whole site with an actual "any%" label. I think it would be good to expand "ingame" to explain what is ingame.
  • And then we have the "Glitchless Low%" and "Glitchless Low% Speedbooster" runs; as near as I can tell, their existence has been controversial. I'm not opening that can of worms again, although I would like to say that the name "glitchess" is incorrect since these runs do use glitches. So "less glitched" would be more accurate for both. There are, apparently, two different routes for a "less glitched" run, the first of which is faster and the second of which obtains the speedbooster item.
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Posted: 12/6/2013 11:34 PM
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CoolKirby wrote:
For Jazz Jackrabbit, would it be enough to call it "Jazz Jackrabbit (shareware) in 04:43.79 by Ilari" and explain in the movie description that the shareware version only contains one episode?
Yes, I think that's fine.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 5:03 PM
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CoolKirby wrote:
"Asterix & Obelix" is one of two game modes in the Asterix & Obelix game. But you're saying the branch name should be removed because it's assumed the run is of the main mode unless stated otherwise (like with Super Mario Advance)?
That is my opinion, yes. Not a big deal either way, though.
I've fixed the other six runs and all the DOS games too. Thanks for finding all these runs; let me know if you find more!
Thank you! Well I think I'm done for now :) Wait, I think I've been unclear on a few. I must say these shareware games were quite confusingly titled :)
  • Duke Nukem was released as a series of standalone games, titled "Duke Nukem episode 1", "DN episode 2" and "DN episode 3", followed by "Duke Nukem 2" and much later "Duke Nukem 3D". So the correct title would be Duke Nukem episode 1: Shrapnel City. This is the same as how the Commander Keen games were set up.
  • Hocus Pocus was released as a single game, with four "episodes" available from the start menu, that are basically different modes of gameplay (well, different level sets, really). Completing an episode returns you to the main menu. A separate shareware version exists that contains only the first "episode", but the runs on our site don't use that. So the title should be Hocus Pocus "Episode 1" and Hocus Pocus "Episode 2" (using subtitles).
  • The same applies to Epic Pinball, making it Epic Pinball "Super Android" (subtitle again).
  • Jazz Jackrabbit comes in three versions: shareware, registered, and CD; with 1, 6, and 9 "episodes" contained in a single game respectively. Furthermore, the game will simply move to the next episode when completing one, so a single run could go through all nine episodes. The run we have on the site is for the shareware version, which indeed has only one episode; Halloween Harry also works like this, except that the HH run we have is of the full version of the game. However, the two holiday spinoffs are in fact separate games with only that particular "episode" in them. So the best title would be Jazz Jackrabbit shareware version (as this run fully completes the shareware version of JJR). The two christmas episodes are correctly named.
  • The rest of them are correct.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:11 PM
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feos wrote:
It does turn into voting for being published or not if the category is unvaultable.
That's a good point. I'm not sure if it would be any better to have two kinds of votes though (one for moon/no moon and one for publish/no publish). Perhaps some careful wording can clear that up. ..."This vote is a factor in deciding whether to publish a movie in Moon Tier. Movies unsuitable for Moon Tier may be published in Vault Tier regardless of votes, assuming they meet the criteria for that tier". Anyway I've made my point here so I'm going to step away from this thread and let the Powers That Be decide what they're going to do here.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:00 PM
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Ok... in that case, would it be ok to put back the four movies destarred yesterday (Vice Project Doom, Commander Keen, Super Mario Land, Bucky O'Hare), and instead discuss what we should do about the franchises that may be overrepresented in Star Tier? Current count is 71 Stars (75 if we put back the four mentioned above), 736 Moons.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 11:58 AM
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Yes. Well, then I think we have two options. Either we change the rules for Vault Tier so that unpopular runs won't be eligible for that tier any more; or we add a line of text to the poll stating that people aren't voting on whether the game gets published, but on whether the game gets into Moon Tier.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 11:43 AM
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Here's one more game that should probably have its labels reversed: Contra Hard Corps. This run is labeled "secret ending" but is really any%, since the secret ending is the fastest; whereas that run is unlabeled but should be "no secret ending". As before, the latter run shows off more of the game but the former run is just faster; in this case the difference between the movies is not some weird game-skipping glitch, but an intentionally placed in-game secret that lets you skip most of it. And since we're discussing subtitles I might as well bring this up here: there are a handful of DOS "shareware game series" that are mislabeled. For example, this run specifies the game name as "Duke Nukem" and the branch as "episode 1". That is incorrect; the name of the game is "Duke Nukem episode 1" (and the branch would just be any%). Those different episodes are separate games, sold separately and with (slightly) different code; they're not different "paths" within the same game. The same applies to Jazz Jackrabbit (Holiday Hare '94, Holiday Hare '95 are not "paths" within the main game, but separate holiday releases that contain only that "path" and nothing of the full game).
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Posted: 12/5/2013 11:13 AM
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I would say that whether a run has problems with it (making it unfit for publishing) is a matter of fact, and whether a run is entertaining is a matter of opinion. I don't see any point in voting on facts.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 9:26 PM
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So basically, GBA Sonic Advance / SA 2 GB Link's Awakening / LA DX Genesis Sonic 2 / 3 NES Megaman 1 / 2 / 5 PSX Megaman X4 / 8 SNES Megaman X2 / Bass / that triple run Hm, I just noticed that out of 71 star tier runs, eight are Megaman and two more are Megaman clones. That may be overdoing it just a bit :) (edit) And there are 11 Super Mario runs, including one romhack; and six total Sonic runs.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 7:13 PM
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feos wrote:
Starred Jetpack. Destarred movies with 7.2 and lower entertainment rating. Feel free to suggest destars as well!
If movies need destarring, I would suggest to start with games that have multiple movies in star tier; for the sake of variety and diversity I would prefer if each individual game only gets into star tier once (e.g. Super Metroid and Super Mario 64 currently have two starred movies, Super Mario World has three). That's just my opinion though, some other people may want to weigh in on that.
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Posted: 12/3/2013 8:18 PM
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I think that people who misunderstand the current setup will misunderstand it even more if you add an important-sounding option that quietly gets ignored by the judges. It would be much clearer to educate the confused users, by adding to The Question's text that "This vote is about Moon Tier. A run can be published in Vault Tier regardless of its entertainment."
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Posted: 12/3/2013 7:00 PM
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Yes, but since popularity is not one of the criteria for the Vault, in practice it doesn't matter if people vote "vault" or "no" on a run, because if it fits Vault criteria it would be published there regardless of votes.
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Posted: 12/3/2013 6:24 PM
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Isn't the point of the Vault that movies that fit its criteria will go there regardless of votes?
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Posted: 12/2/2013 6:01 PM
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As someone who's never played Pokemon, I'm curious how similar these games actually are. Would it be helpful to list them all as the same game, with subtitles to determine color? Or are they too different still to warrant that?
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Posted: 12/2/2013 5:23 PM
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feos wrote:
So you're saying, they interpret "Did you find this movie entertaining?" as something else due to bad wording? I'd rather call it ignorance.
People tend to interpret it as "Did you find it entertaining? If enough people vote yes, it will be published; if not, it won't be". That is because the thread is about whether the movie gets published; since the vote doesn't explain how it ties into that, it is only natural for people to assume that it means "yes vote = publish, no vote = do not publish". And you are correct that this is ignorance. I think the best way to deal with this ignorance is to educate the voters by adding a bit of explanatory text to the poll.
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Posted: 12/2/2013 4:58 PM
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
That line has been there since 2006(?)
"Adding" as in "putting a bit MORE text on top of the poll than what is currently there". Because clearly, numerous users misinterpret the current wording.
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Posted: 12/2/2013 10:59 AM
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I would like to nominate Jetpack for Star Tier. When it was first published, the judge wrote "The responses to this run have for the most part been very positive, and I find this run to be our best TAS for the combination of action + puzzle platformer. Levels like It's not raining rain demonstrate luck manipulation and precision rarely even seen in a TAS. Many of the enemy packed levels are completed with an I control reality attitude which is only seen in our best TASs. Therefore, I am accepting for stars." There was some dissent over this and it was decided that putting it in Star Tier was premature, putting it in Moons for now. However, the game has now been on the site for over a month, and has received very good audience feedback. So I think this shows it's deserving of its star after all.
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Posted: 12/2/2013 10:57 AM
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Hm, that MMX run is an interesting corner case. I get the impression that many people feel it shouldn't have been published because it sort-of uses a password. But given its acceptance text, and the fact that it has been published, doesn't that mean that this glitch has been considered acceptable for this game? After all, it doesn't really use a password. ...I don't have a strong opinion on this though, just thinking things through.
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Posted: 12/1/2013 11:28 PM
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Simply adding one line of descriptive text to the poll. would fix this issue.
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Posted: 11/30/2013 9:04 PM
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I've found a handful of other movies with labels similar to "glitched" that could be made clearer. As Adelikat said earlier in this thread, "The intent of the category is for specifying branches, not describing the movie." Thank you for your time!
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Posted: 11/29/2013 8:58 PM
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WST wrote:
Okay. But I do not remove Qwerty, since this submission seems to have hurted him a bit. As I’ve said, this run was fully based on Qwerty’s run — actually, most of the time I had 2 running Gens instances, in one of which I had Qwerty’s TAS. The goal was not to discredit Qwerty, but to show him that next time he’d better not to hide his WIP — me, feeuzz, marzojr, Aglar, LTRP (and even DMTM) — all the other Sonic TASers could contribute at least by reviewing his run for probable improvements.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 2:39 PM
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Cool, thanks! That looks much clearer and more consistent. Looking over the movies you list separately, I think the Chrono Trigger run should simply be "100%" because as far as we know, it's not possible to achieve 100% with save corruption; so the extra qualifier is not needed until (if) an additional branch gets made and accepted for CT. For Contra, suitable subtitles would be "any%", "no warp glitch" (since the distinguishing feature of that movie is that it doesn't use that glitch, not how many characters are controlled) and "pacifist, no warp glitch" (since the any% movie also doesn't kill a lot of enemies). And for LOZ, "no wall clipping" works fine and is a clear and common term. Super Metroid should have some more discussion from the people more intimately familiar with the game; although I should point out that the "any%" movie does in fact use some glitches, just different ones than the movie currently labeled "glitched". And I'm confused by this run for Mega Man X, labeled "glitched password, walkathon". I don't think the term "walkathon" helps here; for the Super Mario Bros run, not running is actually a restriction that makes the run slower but entertaining; for MMX it's not a restriction, since the run is faster because it skips a speed-up item. So it should probably be "any%" whereas this run should be "no password glitch". $.02
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