[08:32] <feos> usually there's an answer, but it's so fucking hard to find it
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[08:46] <DrD2k9> @feos, you around?
[08:48] <DrD2k9> guess not. I'll catch you later.
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[08:48] <Spikestuff> lol
[08:55] <feos> amazingNot applicable to the current question, but related: is it allowed to glitch into a cheat/debug mode? An example I've been thinking of recently is how many Sierra games have a debug or cheat mode. I know it's not permitted to enter the code to use that mode, as the code was never given in the instructions, nor was it ever intended to be part of normal gameplay. But what if you found a glitch that allowed you to take advantage of some of the code in the cheat mode? Is that allowed?
The codes/cheats were just a way to activate them earlier than would normally be possible in the course of regular gameplay. For clarification, the game NEVER presents the codes.
Regarding the LEGO games: I'm quite familiar with them. There is a set place in each of the various LEGO games where you can enter codes/cheats to immediately unlock/activate the "extras" as mentioned by thecoreyburton. These codes were not included in any of the game documentation but were instead found included with actual LEGO kits purchased from a store that were the same licensing as the videogame. However, it is possible to unlock all of these "extras" through normal gameplay by collecting (usually) red lego bricks scattered throughout the game. Once collected, the red brick can then be purchased/activated with in-game currency (LEGO studs) which then allows the player to enable the brick's bonus gameplay effect from the pause menu. In my opinion, as long as the codes aren't used to acquire these bricks' effects, it's not cheating. It's a collection perk awarded for doing the extra work necessary to collect/purchase them.
So for example with the LEGO Star Wars 100% category, buying cheats that you find in the levels is part of the 100% completion, and most of the prices for things you have to buy are balanced to those cheats. If I were to make a movie in that category for that game, or any other game in the series, would I be allowed to turn on the cheats I buy?
ACE and fully arbitrary memory corruption are not permitted in full completion categories, regardless of what sort of advantage they're used for. Lesser memory corruption glitches are allowed, but you can't use them to skip the normal process for collecting items. There's no practical difference between writing the items into inventory using ACE and successively warping to each item using ACE while also skipping the item jingles.
You do the revolution, guys!
After watching the movie and reading the entire thread, I've concluded that this thread is undeniable proof that this community likes to argue over nothing. https://xkcd.com/915/
I'm only speaking for myself, but many of the most memorable TAS moments I can recall are the moments that made me think the movie was desynching or that the player made some kind of obvious mistake, only to be revealed that it wasn't a mistake at all. A good example would be in the SMB2U TAS on world 4-3 where players like to make Luigi stall in the starting room, which clearly looks like a mistake, only for the viewer to realize later (or even better, not to realize and have to ask about it) that the Birdo's eggs are on a global timer and he needed to wait for it. To me, mastery and perfection are inherently entertaining, and making a fool of the viewer is one of the highest forms of demonstrating mastery.
Essentially, if you spend months making a run and explaining how everything does, you should be open to people bashing it without knowing anything useful. But if you just spend 20 minutes watching a movie, then you are free to write and vote whatever you want for any reason, because it is not acceptable to say that their criticism is dumb. Youtube users that scream "Cheats!" at every TAS should find this policy very nice!
