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Arc wrote:
feos wrote:
Are you saying diversity is a bad requirement?
A mediocre run should not get a star for the sake of diversity at the expense of a more deserving run, which was one of the primary purposes of my post.
We're not destarring SM64 or OoT runs because we need space for Warcraft or Coca Cola Kid. We're destarring them if those games are already represented well. We only star the same franchise on the same platform if the branches are substantially different and showcase unrelated aspects of TASing. Like these:
[1649] NES Mega Man 2 by aglasscage, finalfighter, pirohiko & Shinryuu in 23:48.51[1686] NES Mega Man by Shinryuu & finalfighter in 12:23.34[3595] NES Rockman 4 Minus Infinity "all items" by Baddap1 in 34:43.72
I was trying to turn stars into an actual tier, only highlighting the very best runs regardless of diversity. Because cherry picking runs into stars makes it not a tier. So when NewcomerRec list became a thing, I thought it would be the only one needing cherry picking, and stars would become more of a tier. That idea was taken down by admins years ago. So I had to obey diversity and quotas.
Arc wrote:
I say to stop trying to fill arbitrary quotas and instead focus on respecting the greatest works and their creators.
Arc wrote:
Now that there are 100 starred movies, I think that 100 should be a hard cap.
Nice. So 10% is arbitrary even if it's approved by admins, and 100 stars even if we have 9000000000 moons is not arbitrary?
feos wrote:
Are you saying diversity is a bad requirement?
Arc wrote:
feos wrote:
So far Arc suggests to overrepresent Mario, Zelda, Castlevania and MAGA Man even harder to fix that.
You are developing a pattern of intentionally misrepresenting my position because it is easier to attack than what I actually write.
I'm still unsure if you think our diversity requirement is a good or a bad thing.
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It's amusing that you brought up Jetpack, because you clearly never checked the actual thread of that movie. It contains lots of cool discussion, which nearly caused me to ragequit the site. Start from this post. adelikat suggested to talk to FractalFusion to resolve it, he was the senior judge back then. So we delayed starring that run, and then, knowing the actual demand and seeing some free space, I added it.
As for "comfy relationship" between Radiant and myself, are you sure you want me to link you ALL posts when it was the opposite of true? Because there's overwhelming majority of such posts over the course of several years.
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You represent the flaw in the star system. TASes get a star based on forum shilling rather than someone who is dedicated to examining the pros and cons of every TAS and doing so without bias on behalf of what the whole community prefers. A few forum shills don't represent the whole community.
First of all, your requirement is outright impossible. No one is able to fully understand all the good parts of all games of all genres. Next, there's another requirement in reality. A starman is not just expected to understand the good parts of the games on the basis of knowing what's going on in them gameplay-wise. He is also expected to understand what laymen are going to enjoy, regardless of not knowing the game.
Now, what does a starman do when he doesn't understand anything in the game? He has to listen to people who do. This is how Chrono Trigger got starred. Not because we were out of RPGs. Not because we wanted to fill the space. But because we listen to feedback.
Arc wrote:
Is there really no one who finds it absurd that Coca Cola Kid has a star for the sake of diversity while the 3rd-highest rated TAS on the site does not?
It's not for the sake of diversity. It's because we listen to the audience and check runs against starman guidelines, while also trying to make decisions that make people happier despite of them representing opposing camps.
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See, NES is overrepresented, and we want diversity. So far Arc suggests to overrepresent Mario, Zelda, Castlevania and Maga Man even harder to fix that.
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And people were asking for it.
Also, it's interesting how STAR KINO almost matches http://tasvideos.org/NewcomerCorner.html
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Are you saying diversity is a bad requirement?
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On the other hand, I found the filter to block the entire sharing div:
tasvideos.org##.misc:nth-of-type(1) > div
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Make your suggestions then :]
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I agree about the level, but it's not like we were simply filling in space. Lowest entertainment ratings might get dropped if we need vacant places, but I'd rather not drop just because they are outdated, but rather because they are not that entertaining in the end.
And 10% of Moons is the best quota we might have, having hard coded number isn't wise.
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There's no way to poll youtube views/likes right now. And we don't want to blindly add that in, so it'd need human to evaluate in the end. And youtube views and likes can be botted easily. Our rating can't.
So while the rating system does indeed have major flaws, it's still more stable than youtube if you think about it.
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And I know how to make this thing work.
First of all, the idea was to have a list of movies that are NOT vaultable and NOT covered by existing movie classes. Because yeah, you won't find them unless you know they exist and where they are.
Second, with the current system there'd be no clear definition for such game group. So marking something in terms of belonging to some "special" category won't work.
To make everything work we need 2 things:
1. Ability to list all unvalutable movies. This was already proposed and by the nature of our movies it's probably easier to do for unvaultable branches than for any% runs (100% already has a class)?
2. Ability to list movie tokes with the not operator. That'd allow to exclude all branches that have movie goal classes behind them. And the list would finally become automatic.
However, there's a chance that keeping such list manually is more efficient in the end.
Now that I look at the list, the words that come to my mind are: "Arbitrary goal" and "Esoteric goal". Because they indeed are such goals, they just happened to be entertaining.
If you don't like these terms, what about putting all such runs into Demonstration category? Huh? I love this idea the most actually! The list might just need some cleanup.
The definition seems to be exactly what we needed:
http://tasvideos.org/MovieClassGuidelines.html#Demonstration
Dude... We were so stupid.
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Arc the limit has always been 10% of Moons. Right now it's 100 x 1117. We have 10 vacant places.
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Except they're using Flash to play the video aren't they?
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Alright, after watching both, this is what I think.
UMK3 has screens like this which you can hardly beat. And it reduces the Nintendo overdose, both character wise and conceptually (dark tribal caricature gore and brutality over bright and childish happy universe).
But the former is a bit too long, while showing the same chars, the same backgrounds, basically the same moves and slightly varying glitches. And the latter presents levels and chars that are unique every time, so they have unique moves, and the run is 3 times shorter. So SSBM is more condensed and versatile, while not being less intense.
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http://tasvideos.org/Movies-NES-SNES-Group21-RatingE-Obs.html
The vote count is really low, but the very fact that -infinity's previous run SOMEHOW beats ALL... is kinda telling. Newcomored the current run of -infinity, even though it only has a single vote.
http://tasvideos.org/Movies-Genesis-Group20-RatingE.html
Sonic is odd, because the recommended run still has the highest entertainment rating, while S3K ring attack is the only one of top Sonic runs that has rates lower than 8.
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S3K has the same branch starred. That run only got a single vote during its year of existence. Even if it's more optimal, it's clearly less attractive for some weird reason.
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http://tasvideos.org/Movies-Group25-RatingE.html
The 2 best rated runs are very recent and have low amount of votes. I want to give some Crash game a star, but I need more people to vote (or post here) first.
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http://tasvideos.org/Movies-Moons-Stars-GBA-Group21-RatingE.html
The situation is mostly the same as with Crash, just here one run is very recent, and another one is being published. Some GBA Mega Man game might have a star, and I'd like to know how well Zook stands compared to official candidates.
RE4 will follow soon.
And it's finally starred. Sorry for taking 4.5 years.
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Can anyone suggest a screenshot?
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That's what I said, but we don't use fancy chars in game names.
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PikachuMan wrote:
So you're saying that they duplicated it? Talk about self plagiarism.
Yes, let's talk about it. What's bad about it exactly?
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Why would anyone do that?
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Does it desync outside tastudio if you save a state there and then load it while being at the same farther frame?
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It sounds like it's the case of "speed/entertainment tradeoffs" so far. Which is just a movie class.
As for the branch for the original run, if the setup or the results are too complicated, we invent a new term, and "map glitch" was used for this game since the beginning it seems, so yeah.
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