As always, I have provided a release package on my sourceforge project. It includes the movie file, spreadsheet, and Memory Watch file.
I decided to continue Randil's WIP that he posted some time ago. The total improvement time is 1838 frames.
Most of the improvement comes from more precision, especially in boss fights. There is also a trick that Randil discovered. If you end a battle on the right side of the screen, holding L+R makes the screen scroll faster.
Btw, this is one of the most terribly programmed games for the NES. Changing weapons, lightning, and bosses appearing force the screen to go black and the return. There is lag everywhere despite the character moving at very clunky speeds where it can take 4 frames for the sprite to update. And to top it all off, even the closing credits are laggy! Sheesh.
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Cats puke is more appetizing than this game.
I give a Yes vote for the duo's ability to somehow get the courage to improve a TAS of this game.
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TASVideoAgent wrote:
And to top it all off, even the closing credits are laggy! Sheesh.
They may be laggy, but the credits music is super epic and catchy, which is surprising considering the quality of the game!
Also voting yes as a good improvement. I actually don't mind watching this game being played, barring stupid graphical errors in the programming (lightning in the catacombs? You bet!)
It looked very optimized, but dear gods those were some ugly graphics... I'm going to need to mull this over.
EDIT: Well... there's always the folks who'll be impressed with the TAS from a purely technical prespective, and of course those who actually played this game would probably like it. Still, after going through the entire list of published NESgames, I can't find a game that I disliked watching more. It doesn't help that side-scrolling action games seem to be the most popular types of game to TAS, so there's a lot of competition there.
TLDR: Voted no.
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I'm glad you decided to finish this. Now I got that burden off my shoulders! :) I think the run held a consistent high technical quality (even my part!), so I'm throwing in a yes vote. I have a question though:
When using the flail on bosses, sometimes you seem to be very accurate about when you press B (such as the boss around frame 15000), but other times it looks as if you used autofire (such as around frame 16400). Why is this?
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to ask: Did you get any help from Nitrogenesis' WIP? If so, maybe he should be mentioned in the comments.
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Voting no, wasnt entertained and the game choice was pretty bad in my opinion.
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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I had considered doing this because 2004 movies are easy targets, but turns out that won't be necessary anymore. Voting yes as an improvement to a published run.
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DrJones wrote:
I vote not to publish this thing, but quietly replace the old movie file in the currently published run.
Ditto. The game is super boring to watch, TAS or no, but as this improves an already-published run of it, I'm compelled to vote yes. If the question of bad game choice weren't already answered, I'd probably vote otherwise. =^p
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Huge disagreement from my side then.
This game isn't that bad, as a matter of fact, it's even quite awesome. It's like the ugly little brother that Sword Master never had, and the TAS is well done as well. This is one of those games that consists of "walk to the right and do more shit than just jump over pits".
Short, action-filled and no cutscenes. I vote yes and would have done so even if this would have been the first entry for this game.
Warp wrote:
omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!
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Nice, I'm glad to see an improvement of this got finished. It's hard to tell most of the specific improvements, though. Could you put in some more explanation, such as why you fire the flame sword from so far away and how much damage you do running into enemies with your body? That would help clarify what this movie's doing and make it more enjoyable.
Regardless, good job with improving this clunky but oddly-entertaining game.
Used to be a frequent submissions commenter. My new computer has had some issues running emulators, so I've been here more sporadically.
Still haven't gotten around to actually TASing yet... I was going to improve Kid Dracula for GB. It seems I was beaten to it, though, with a recent awesome run by Hetfield90 and StarvinStruthers. (http://tasvideos.org/2928M.html.)
Thanks to goofydylan8 for running Gargoyle's Quest 2 because I mentioned the game! (http://tasvideos.org/2001M.html)
Thanks to feos and MESHUGGAH for taking up runs of Duck Tales 2 because of my old signature!
Thanks also to Samsara for finishing a Treasure Master run. From the submission comments:
Shoutouts and thanks to mklip2001 for arguably being the nicest and most supportive person on the forums.
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Randil wrote:
When using the flail on bosses, sometimes you seem to be very accurate about when you press B (such as the boss around frame 15000), but other times it looks as if you used autofire (such as around frame 16400). Why is this?
Most of those are probably situations where it was equally fast. Generally I would test with auto-fire and savestate, then attempt to improve. If I merely matched it probably went with the original state. Often the amount of damage didn't need to be optimized like when the HP is 22. The max you can do is 7 so either way you are doing 4 hits and none of them need to do a lot of damage.
I hope that made sense.
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to ask: Did you get any help from Nitrogenesis' WIP? If so, maybe he should be mentioned in the comments.
Nitro's wip had nothing useful compared to yours. He picked up where you left off but immediately took the wrong route :P So none of his input is represented in this movie.
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mklip2001 wrote:
Could you put in some more explanation, such as why you fire the flame sword from so far away [...]?
I can answer this: The flame sword is a powerful but time limited weapon. When there is a flame wave on screen, the timer for this weapon stops. The reason for constantly firing this weapon is to keep it longer.
adelikat wrote:
Most of those are probably situations where it was equally fast. Generally I would test with auto-fire and savestate, then attempt to improve. If I merely matched it probably went with the original state. Often the amount of damage didn't need to be optimized like when the HP is 22. The max you can do is 7 so either way you are doing 4 hits and none of them need to do a lot of damage.
I hope that made sense.
Yes, that made sense, and this is what I thought too, I just wanted to make sure. Thanks for explaining.
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to ask: Did you get any help from Nitrogenesis' WIP? If so, maybe he should be mentioned in the comments.
Nitro's wip had nothing useful compared to yours. He picked up where you left off but immediately took the wrong route :P So none of his input is represented in this movie.
I was testing to see what would be better... :P It was very rough.
YoungJ1997lol wrote:
Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
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I decided to continue Randil's WIP that he posted some time ago. The total improvement time is 1838 frames.
Most of the improvement comes from more precision, especially in boss fights. There is also a trick that Randil discovered. If you end a battle on the right side of the screen, holding L+R makes the screen scroll faster.
Btw, this is one of the most terribly programmed games for the NES. Changing weapons, lightning, and bosses appearing force the screen to go black and the return. There is lag everywhere despite the character moving at very clunky speeds where it can take 4 frames for the sprite to update. And to top it all off, even the closing credits are laggy! Sheesh.
Also, another 2004 movie bites the dust, woo.
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[18:51] <scrimpy> Oh, nothing
[18:51] <mmarks> oh
[18:51] <Nach> I think scrimpy is just jealous of you mmarks
Given that we now have a published TAS for the arcade version, and the description for this TAS focuses on how bad of a game the NES version is, I think it now ought to be emphasized that this is a terrible port of an arcade game.
It can be as simple as amending the last sentence to refer to "the superior arcade version" instead of just "the arcade version," or the second sentence to contrast the poor qualities described with that of the arcade version (which has much better controls, superior graphics and sound, and no fake difficulty through random factors, respectively, as well as a much faster pace compared to the plodding NES version). Either way...
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