This movie improves the previous publication by a whopping 4 frames. The improvement here comes in the first level with a new trick to crash when crossing the the finish line. I did no innovate this trick, I saw it in a realtime speedrun.
The trick saves about 20 frames. And there are some optimizations here and there. However, as typical with modern cores, this game has a lot more lag than with old versions of GENS. Probably. With this game, it is hard to definitively prove anything, as it is laggy, and hard to guage where you are or if you are doing identical routes. But in general, a lot more lag. It's really hard to say, and one of the many frustrations with TASing this game.
This run uses the grid controller options like the previous movie. This is not a style choice. I did attempt an improvement that uses standard controls but they are slow. You gain 43 by not picking this option, but grid controls give you a slight "head start" at the beginning of each level for reasons I cannot determine. This advantage eventually overtakes the extra time needed to pick it, and it turns out it is the optimal choice.
There might be more frames to eek out and I did intend to do so, but I realize I'm not going to come back to this game anytime soon, or ever, due to it generally being unfun to optimize. Finding tricks is fun, optimizing is just frustrating, and so are the grid controls, I truly dislike them.
Not much else to say. 4 frames is 4 frames.

Memory: Claiming for judging.
Memory: This run seems well optimized given how much of a lagfest this game appears to be.

despoa: Processing...


TASVideoAgent
They/Them
Moderator
Joined: 8/3/2004
Posts: 15628
Location: 127.0.0.1
This topic is for the purpose of discussing #7676: adelikat's Genesis Marble Madness in 02:12.24
petaQ
He/Him
Joined: 3/8/2018
Posts: 23
Great to see an update! I'm curious: when we use the normal control scheme RTA you can buffer momentum for the start of the next stage for a while after crossing goal lines, is that also used for the relevant levels here?
adelikat
He/Him
Emulator Coder, Site Developer, Site Owner, Expert player (3576)
Joined: 11/3/2004
Posts: 4754
Location: Tennessee
petaQ wrote:
Great to see an update! I'm curious: when we use the normal control scheme RTA you can buffer momentum for the start of the next stage for a while after crossing goal lines, is that also used for the relevant levels here?
I mean, I'm always holding a direction and pressing A. I wasn't sure if it doesn't anything, but I do it anyway.
It's hard to look this good. My TAS projects
GamesFan2000
He/Him
Joined: 1/4/2019
Posts: 84
Location: Canada
If only every submission had a YouTube video that I could see...(not to be rude, but to quote the Dead Kennedys, give me convenience or give me death)
Site Admin, Skilled player (1255)
Joined: 4/17/2010
Posts: 11495
Location: Lake Char­gogg­a­gogg­man­chaugg­a­gogg­chau­bun­a­gung­a­maugg
GamesFan2000 wrote:
If only every submission had a YouTube video that I could see...(not to be rude, but to quote the Dead Kennedys, give me convenience or give me death)
Encoded.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Challenger
He/Him
Skilled player (1702)
Joined: 2/23/2016
Posts: 1065
Too bad this game lags so much (and even more on more accurate emulators), but at least the new level 1 improvement saved this TAS :) Nice work and yes vote.
My homepage --Currently not much motived for TASing as before...-- But I'm still working.
Alyosha
He/Him
Editor, Emulator Coder, Expert player (3828)
Joined: 11/30/2014
Posts: 2834
Location: US
Huh, the improvement looks so obvious once you see it. Seeing stuff like this always makes me wonder what other seemingly simple tricks and optimizations are being missed out there. Nice work.
GamesFan2000
He/Him
Joined: 1/4/2019
Posts: 84
Location: Canada
feos wrote:
GamesFan2000 wrote:
If only every submission had a YouTube video that I could see...(not to be rude, but to quote the Dead Kennedys, give me convenience or give me death)
Encoded.
Thank you
EZGames69
He/They
Publisher, Reviewer, Expert player (4468)
Joined: 5/29/2017
Posts: 2765
Reviewing. So I don't know much about this game, so I wanted to see why certain obvious shortcuts weren't taken, like in level 3 where you could stay on the roof and fall down. Turns out I didn't realize this game had fall damage, so it's better to take a more intended route otherwise you will be sent back earlier in the level. So I noticed some of the IGT for some later levels were slower than the published TAS, and after trying to improve them myself to match the published TAS, I can understand why nobody likes TASing this game. Not only is lag annoying, but this game has some of the most flimsy physics ever. For example on the ramp down in Stage 2, it's faster to get off of it a bit later as you can keep some of your speed. Though you still have to wait for the bridge to drop down, while at the same time deal with lag everywhere from the enemies. when I tried to enter the pipe, I either enter it too late or too early, and making it so I have to add frames just to adjust for this. However, I did manage to save 13 frames on Stage 2 (didn't match IGT of publication), but this causes way more lag in stage 5, completely ruining everything. I couldnt even get that same glitch jump once this starts happening. I will put this up for anyone who want's to use it: https://tasvideos.org/UserFiles/Info/637984318970686812 Overall, this is a well made TAS despite the frustrations it causes. I don't know how you manage to do it adelikat.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Post subject: Movie published
TASVideoAgent
They/Them
Moderator
Joined: 8/3/2004
Posts: 15628
Location: 127.0.0.1
This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [4851] Genesis Marble Madness by adelikat in 02:12.24