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Super Smash Bros Kirby High Score Time Attack TAS- Comicalflop

  • EMULATOR -- Mupen 64 rerecording 0.5
  • ROM – SMASH BROTHERS
  • COUNTRY -- USA
  • CRC -- 5B8B6B91
PLUGINS --
  • video: glN64 v0.4.1
  • sound: Jabo's DirectSound 1.6
  • input: TAS Input Plugin 0.6
  • RSP : RSP emulation Plugin
CONTROLLERS --
1: Present
2: Disconnected
3: Disconnected
4: Disconnected

Goals

  • Aims for Highest Score in Fastest Time
  • Takes no Damage, Hardest Setting
  • Manipulates Luck
  • Abuses programming errors in the game
  • Genre: Fighter
For my second TAS I decided to do a High Score run of Super Smash Bros. for the N64. This is an extremely popular fighting game, which spawned two sequels in the two succeeding Nintendo consoles. Many people all over the world spent and still spend endless hours playing the 8 original characters and 4 unlockable characters, and the game's single player mode with an adventure to complete, bonus stages to get records on, plus the game's best feature of outstanding multiplayer gameplay of “cartoon mischief” made it a mainstream N64 title.
This run is a high score time attack using Kirby on very hard mode, with one life, achieving a final score of 2,554,881 in 4 minutes 13 seconds in-game time, 8m 8.083s (29285 frames). This beats the previous record of a tool assisted high score time attack of 2,419,243, which will be mentioned later. The reason that this is called a high score time attack score and not a high score run is due to the goals that were set at the beginning, and was discussed in the SSB Fastest Completion + High Score forum. To summarize, it was debated because in every stage that is played it is possible, with all the myriad bonus awards that can be gotten from achieving a certain goal during the stages, to get higher scores than what I had achieved. However, all of them were at the cost of time. There are three categories for a speedrun for this game: Fastest time, pure high score, and high score time attack. Each is competitive with its own goals; fastest time to get a faster time, pure high score to, no matter in how much time lost/gained to get a higher final score, and high score time attack, to get a higher score in a shorter time.
Kirby was chosen for his ability to get many bonus points, with a few certain attacks that are used frequently throughout the game. The bonus that arguably provides the biggest amount of points for least effort is Pacifist, which grants 60,000 if your opponent dies without you damaging him/her. Now waiting around for an opponent to die on his own on very hard with one life is not a feasible strategy- enter Kirby’s B move, copy. Kirby is well known throughout his games of copying his opponents’ abilities, and Super Smash Bros. is not different. Kirby will suck in an opponent, and copy their B move after he spits them out.
But the programmers that designed the game made it so that if Kirby sucks in an opponent and does nothing, he’ll wait and wobble a little as the opponent struggles to break free. Eventually he/she will break free, and Kirby gets launched backwards as the opponent escapes. The catch? If an opponent breaks free like that, there’s no damage dealt. Therefore, Kirby is capable of forcing a pacifist kill on an opponent, by sucking an opponent, falling down near the bottom of the stage, and spitting out at the very last moment. No CPU under the right circumstances can escape from that.
You’ll see this technique used in 4 of the stages, in the others different strategies are used for very specific reasons. There is one additional Pacifist kill, and in the rest Kirby attacks normally. Every stage was very carefully planned to get the highest score in the shortest amount of time, and I’ll go into length for each stage to describe what I did to get the highest score quickly.

Playing strategies

There are a few playing strategies that will be described here in detail.

Enemy Movement

This is, by far, the biggest thing about this game that could possibly make Kirby’s movements look like mistakes, but they are not. EVERY frame of input that Kirby makes affects the enemy’s movement. There is an incredible amount of Luck Manipulation in this game, which is used to simulate 100% randomness when playing the game in real time against an opponent or with friends. Every single move that Kirby makes was utilized to get the desired outcome from enemies; so if I take a few extra hops, run in different directions, move around in a sloppy manner, it was all carefully executed to get the enemy to behave in a certain way. There are certain strategies that didn’t work because an enemy would not behave a certain way, and there were others where you could consistently get an enemy to do something. But every Kirby movement, whether smooth or not, was done for a purpose.

Certain attacks

This run only uses a few of Kirby’s attacks.
B move, swallow is used to force a Pacifist bonus on single targets.
Up+B ‘cutter’ was used in three different ways: in Teams to use the sword to hit a weak opponent into the sky, against single targets to ‘spike’ them downwards, and using the wave part of the cutter as a projectile.
Down+B ‘stone’ was used to gain some vertical down speed in one of the bonuses, and in the last Team fight a few enemies were not killable with a normal cutter, so stone was used to greater affect.
Down+A Aerial ‘drill’ was used to rack up damage% on opponents, and is Kirby’s best form of doing so. Used in Mario Bros., Samus, and Master Hand.
Smash+A ‘smash attack’ this was used in only one stage to force an opponent with low% damage to be pushed towards the edge.
Back+A Aerial ‘backwards kick’ used only once to knock an opponent backwards over a lava pit.
No other attacks were used in the run.

Stages

The single player mode is set up with an ‘adventure’ consisting of 14 stages, 10 where you fight enemies, of which three of those are ‘teams’; three bonus stages; and a final boss fight.

Super Smash Bros Kirby High Score

StageIn-game timer endScore to beatFinal score
Link4:52110550110600
Yoshi Team4:26247770266000
Fox4:52368420386700
Break the Target1:46(14"37)428220447900
Mario Bros.4:50521371566111
Pikachu4:58652171697011
Giant DK4:55837921882761
Board the Platforms1:30(30"31)895121940761
Kirby Team4:3710205811079121
Samus4:4411189321201151
Metal Mario4:5812697311352051
Race to the Finish0:3713022311385551
Polygon Team4:0314124621529911
Master Hand4:3924192432554881
The Link stage is set on top of hyrule castle, and Link is the easiest to fight since he is the very first stage. Kirby disregards making the opening move and runs right past him, and takes a few small hops to ensure that Link runs towards Kirby at maximum speed. Then Kirby turns around and swallows Link- who struggles to escape, not realizing that doing so pushes Kirby off of the edge, and spits Link out one frame above the bottom.
Alternate strategy: It was considered to either grab onto the ledge and make Link kill himself, or to try the swallow maneuver on the left side. The reasons they didn’t work: Edge grabbing is more difficult to do then swallowing, and Link had a habit of not using his Up+B move to swirl over Kirby’s head. Any attempt to do a ledge grab strategy resulted in a failure and a slower time. The left edge is actually a slope, and the wobbling that makes swallow maneuvers possible does not work since the opponent wobbles Kirby away from the edge on slopes.
Bonuses:
No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x1, No Damage, Full Power

Yoshi Team

The Yoshi Team is set in one of the stages from the N64 game Yoshi’s Story. You must face off against 18 Yoshis of varying color. The Yoshis are very easy to kill, since any throw or special move is usually a guaranteed one hit kill. For this stage Kirby exclusively uses cutter to send the Yoshis into the background, IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE. The bonuses Hawk, Trickster, and Yoshi’s Rainbow were sought in this match.
Alternate strategies: late in the run the shooter bonus was discovered, but it was realized that the Hawk bonus (all attacks are made in the air) is lost from cutter’s projectile. It was debated about using Pacifist here as well, but getting 18 Yoshis to kill themselves on very hard was not feasible.
Bonuses: No Item, Hawk, Trickster, No Miss x2, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Single Move, Fighter Stance, Yoshi Rainbow

Fox

Fox was the only successful ledge grab, and it worked out splendidly. Not much to say, other than Fox was kept charging most of the time and died earlier than expected.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x3, No Damage, Full Power, Fighter Stance

Break the Target

Fastest BtT strategy was used to get the lowest achievable in-game timer, instead of actual time. Actual time was 14”37, which was found in the game files after the game was finished. Saving hundredths of seconds was not sought, because it would not increase the score, only seconds saved would do that.

Mario Bros.

Wow this was a difficult fight. It was determined that Calamity Brothers (kill Luigi before Mario receives any damage) and True Friend (your partner does not get hit) had to both be awarded. It was notoriously difficult to achieve both of these in a short time, but after many retries both bonuses were received. Many times I had to attack fireballs to ensure Pikachu didn’t get hurt.
Alternate strategy: someone suggested trying pacifist here as well- not very feasible.
Bonuses: Cheap Shot, No Item, Speedster, No Miss x4, No Damage, Full Power, Fighter Stance, True Friend, Brothers Calamity

Pikachu

As soon as Pikachu is done being my partner in the last stage, here I kill him humiliatingly fast for not helping at all. The programmers designed Pikachu and Metal Mario to die before you do, which makes the swallow maneuver very fast and easy- if you still have Pikachu in your mouth when you hit the bottom, he’ll die before you. This is used to get a 2 second fight.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x5, No Damage, Full Power

Giant DK

Another swallow maneuver and a very hard one to do at that. Many times DK would still have time to recover.
Alternate strategy: edge grabbing worked in a previous Fox Fastest time run, but Fox was better because he could manipulate DK better by being faster. It was tried, but Kirby couldn’t get DK to kill himself.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x6, No Damage, Full Power, DK Perfect

Board the Platforms

The fastest strategy for this bonus. Beats the world record by 0”12, but doesn’t matter since A) it is not visually provable and B) doesn’t matter because the score is only increased by seconds saved. I tried but it is impossible to catch that moving platform right after I land on platform #6, so instead I wave it goodbye.

Kirby Team

Kirby Team was tricky because they didn’t automatically die from any attack (although throwing came close.) Instead, the projectile part of cutter was utilized to get Speedster and Shooter bonus, which makes up for the lost Trickster or Hawk. It was very hard manipulating those Kirby’s to die, but in general if they were off screen they didn’t feel like floating, which is why I move around a lot. And of course, I kill them in order.
Alternate strategy: using Hawk + Trickster. Didn’t work because the Kirby’s didn’t go into the background.
Bonuses: No Item, Shooter, Speedster, No Miss x7, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Single Move, Fighter Stance, Kirby Ranks

Samus

I apologize to Samus fans, but she got completely owned this round. The Lava really ruins things for a speedrun, however I utilize it to snag two bonuses. I did 4 drill attacks (3 did not rack up enough damage, so this is optimal) and kicked her beyond the platform, then used a cutter to spike her into the lava, which was just enough %damage to make her go into the background.
Alternate strategies: not much, only tried to maker her die sooner, which wasn’t as fast or netted as many points.
Bonuses: Star Finish, No Item, Hawk, Speedster, No Miss x8, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Fighter Stance, Acid Clear

Metal Mario

Metal Mario is a real pain, because it takes 300+% damage to kill him, and for speed running he doesn’t move around a lot. Annnnnndddd…. He dies in two seconds!!! I was able to manipulate him to jump extremely early, and a swallow, plus the same programming error as Pikachu makes him die so quickly.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x9, No Damage, Full Power

Race to the Finish

Kirby doesn’t have the fastest running speed, so I make sure that he doesn’t get slowed down by anything. 0:37.

Polygon Team

Wow this was difficult. 30 enemies to kill!!! I had to use cutter and stone to kill them all. Neither the Yoshi or Kirby strategy worked here, so I just tried to kill them as fast as possible while getting Hawk.
Alternate strategies: Both the Yoshi Team strategy and Kirby Team strategy were considered, but neither worked.
Bonuses: No Item, Hawk, No Miss x10, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Special Move, Fighter Stance

Master Hand

Ooooh, the big, bad, nasty glove of death!!! I make short work of him- at this point I hope you like the drill attack, because I use it solely to beat him in 21 seconds. There’s a lot of luck manipulation here as well, since I manipulated which attacks he’ll use next so that I can attack him in the least amount of time. In particular his “shooting gun” phase was to be avoided, as I had no opportunity to attack.
Bonuses: Hawk, Speedster, No Miss x11, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Very Hard Clear, No MIss Clear, No Damage Clear, Speed Demon

Thanks

I’d like to dedicate this section to psychoticworm for creating the very first Tool Assisted high score speed run of Super Smash Bros. using Kirby. He used savestates but no slowdown in order to get a score of 2,419,243. It was his video that was inspiration for me to use all the tools available to beat his time/score. Practically most of the strategies came from his video, and this run would not be possible without it. He was also a great help in the forum during the making of this run.
I’d also like to thank antd for his incredible work on doing the individual bonus stages TASes. He was the first person to my knowledge to experiment with Tools to see what is possible by TASing SSB by making individual bonus runs and creating many entertaining combos in practice mode. He was a great source of info on how to TAS this game and I eagerly await his Fastest Fox completion run.
I’d also like to mention all the posters in the SSB thread (because the run started November 28th and ended December 9th, so didn’t last very long):
Bag of Magic Food, for suggesting a high score run in the first place
Laughing_gas, for constant input and showing me that my avatar directly reflects my screen name
bkDJ for providing some initial .mkv’s of WIP; eventually I was able to make WMV and youtube link’s on my own, but his effort to make the .mkv’s is appluaded
And to all those who contributed with feedback/suggestions: Zurreco, Chef Stef, Thegreginator, Jsmith, Shadow Burn, Kitsune, Kirbymuncher, Macman, L4yer, NrgSpoon, DeHackEd

Truncated: This will be controversial no matter which decision is made, but here are the reasons for my verdict:
  • The movie has unclear goals - it does not go for max score, fastest time, or entertainment.
  • Very repetitive strategy.
  • Record number of No and Meh votes (but also a fair number of yes votes).
  • Published fighting games so far have gone for entertainment. This game does not offer a lot of variety, and as such, it is perhaps unsuited for a TAS.
Therefore, rejecting this submission.


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you are right no good category. Perhaps this game isn't very well suited for TASing then.
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AngerFist wrote:
Guybrush wrote:
Some people just want new N64 runs published, even if they're not that good.
Thats a pretty bad assumption since apparently, a lot of people here found this run to be enough entertaining (some gave a few reasons why they felt the run was pretty good/ok) to vote yes.
If there are non for this run, it's fine. It's just that AKA stated in Gex 64 thread that he voted yes purely for the need of more N64 action. And Asteron did too. That's not a good reason to publish runs.
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JXQ wrote:
Or, maybe this is just a bad game for TASing. :O
How dare you say that! There are no bad games for TASing!
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AKA wrote:
Guybrush wrote:
If there are non for this run, it's fine. It's just that AKA stated in Gex 64 thread that he voted yes purely for the need of more N64 action. And Asteron did too. That's not a good reason to publish runs.
Yes I did say it in the Gex 64 thread but I that was one of my weaker points in terms of my overall justification, I'll go and fetch what I said just now. EDIT:
AKA wrote:
Voting yes purely out of the need for more N64 action, it was a fairly decent game with some nice acurate movement throughout, although a few complaints are the lack of sound and music and the slight repetiveness of the game i.e. going through all the sections just to do a small break off to get the remote. Apart from the pig boss, all the bosses were a bit seen it all before.
EDIT_2:
JXQ wrote:
AKA wrote:
5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
Speaking of 5 bucks...
AKA wrote:
Well he doesn't have the record for Sonic 1 and 10 bucks says that even if he attempted to obselte the previous run he wouldn't be able to beat it by >3 seconds.
AKA, please PM me to discuss payment options over my Sonic 1 improvement, thanks.
You missed the small print, I mentioned Nitsuja, not anyone , or JXQ.
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AKA wrote:
5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
Speaking of 5 bucks...
AKA wrote:
Well he doesn't have the record for Sonic 1 and 10 bucks says that even if he attempted to obselte the previous run he wouldn't be able to beat it by >3 seconds.
AKA, please PM me to discuss payment options over my Sonic 1 improvement, thanks.
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AKA wrote:
5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
Playaround. Think Gradius. Think doing something inherently impossible in other fighting games, or in realtime matches in general, or anything ever seen before at all. <DK64_MASTER> I think moozooh linked to a youtube video * <DK64_MASTER> that antd made <DK64_MASTER> which was EXTREMELY impressive […] <DK64_MASTER> it doesn't have to be world record speed <DK64_MASTER> I'd love to see something like, bouncing players between 2 bumpers <DK64_MASTER> double hammers, but no KO <DK64_MASTER> something like that * — Talking about this video I copypasted into IRC channel.
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so now AKA owes 10 to JXQ and 5 to moozooh.
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AKA, still wondering what your point was with this statement: "JXQ, N64 runs are generally more time consuming to make becuase greater thought is required between savestates." Reply requested, thanks.
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But which playaround obsoletes which playaround?
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Bag of Magic Food wrote:
But which playaround obsoletes which playaround?
There's nothing to obsolete yet. Morimoto wasn't around when N64 emulators gained rerecording capabilities. ;)
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JXQ wrote:
AKA, still wondering what your point was with this statement: "JXQ, N64 runs are generally more time consuming to make becuase greater thought is required between savestates." Reply requested, thanks.
My point is there is a greater variation of movement, button presses and genrerally more longer complex games, you can't just brute force you're way through every obstacle in the game. EDIT: Moozooh, just because its near impossible to do in real time doesn't make it entertaining, since there was bits in the run that are near impossble to do in real time since the reactions the oponents have can radically differ on each frame, I mean this is near impossible but it didn't make the run very entertaining did it.
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Quoted from the Guidelines page: "Just because a game is popular, difficult, or is entertaining to play or run or TAS, does not necessarily mean that it is entertaining to watch." It's a handy page, you should read it some time.
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OK, so this is basically a compilation of everyone agreeing that this run is repetetive, has bad goals, and should only be accepted because it's an N64 game with a big fan base. Draw your own conclusions, and keep in mind that people not quoted here still found the run entertaining.
JXQ wrote:
This game does not make a good TAS. It's repetitive, and the "suck someone in and fall with them" is boring. I see no reason to vote yes on a run that is repetitive like this, even if it "has to be", or if there are other published runs that are repetitive. (stupid reasons btw)
Mukki wrote:
I'd hate to think that this game is unsuited to TASing. It has such a large fanbase and so it has the potential to have many movies made of it. And I'm not arguing that the fact that there is repetitveness in other runs is a reason to publish this, I'm saying that the repetitiveness of this run should not stand in its way.
Mukki wrote:
I've watched it. I enjoyed it. Yes, one could argue that it is repetitive, but I've seen many published runs that you could say these same things about. As you know I'm big on seeing new N64 TASes and this is definitely good enough (also N64 runs are coming up on the workbench frequently now, which is great).
moozooh wrote:
The movie is well optimized, but I don't see anything interesting or surprising in it; it isn't even remotely as interesting as simply playing this game.
Zurreco wrote:
Like moozooh said, this traded off too much speed for such a small improvement in variety. I found this run to be pretty boring and predictable, save the Metal Mario fight. Personally, I liked nico's Fox run much more, since it was fast enough that the repetition wasn't a huge detractor.
DeHackEd wrote:
Slightly repetative, but I guess there's not much you can do about that.
DK64_MASTER wrote:
a bit repetitive.
Vidar wrote:
the game itself can't really have "variety" which other people are asking for. So with that said, having this run as a score/speed run is fine until someone can think of a better idea that won't be boring, "slow", or both.
Bag of Magic Food wrote:
I admit that I still don't get the point of "highest score in fastest time". To me it sounds like comicalflop was trying for just the absolute highest score, but got lazy, and eventually settled for pretty-high scores that didn't take as long to achieve.
Twelvepack wrote:
Neither won as fast as possable, nor did it maximize score. Points per second feels like a bad idea, pick one goal, and put it first.
mwl wrote:
I voted "meh" for precisely this reason, even though the run was well-executed given its nonstandard category. Quite frankly, I don't see the point of this -- the standard "time attack" and "score attack" runs already cover all bases.
upthorn wrote:
Repetetive + poor choice of goals, if not poor choice of game. Super Smash Brothers is fun to play, but the limited moveset makes it less fun to watch.
thegreginator wrote:
The one problem that I have is, as others have stated, that the goal is pretty unclear/unusual. I think that if this run is to be obsoleted, it should be done so by a higher score, even if it's much slower.
psychoticworm wrote:
Comicalflops 'points per frame' TAS run may not be as entertaining, not as much as this vid is, but it DOES accomplish something that is set up in the game. the game has a scoring system, and a time system.
hero of the day wrote:
I agree that the goals are not clear, this should be a run that only goes for high score without regards to the time.
AKA wrote:
Also if this gets rejected then it means that the chances of anyone else either A: trying a run of Smash Bros B: getting a run accepted are very low indeed.
BoltR wrote:
Why you chose to make this run, and not a Break The Targets/Board the Platforms run is beyond me.
Baxter wrote:
I think a "everything gets accepted if it has some kind of goal, and played some kind of game with a new record"-strategy would take away the feeling I have with the site.
Sastopher wrote:
To that, I'd like to add how the run doesn't showcase what makes the game so fun and entertaining. Despite its lack of goals or guidelines, I would much, much rather watch the 3v1 linked on youtube posted earlier in the thread.
Twelvepack wrote:
I really dont see why runs as good as that fox fast clear one are allowed to die... There is something seriously wrong with the submission process here if that fox run was rejected.
Anon wrote:
While well-made and extremely impressive in terms of manipulating luck, this is probably one of the most repetitive runs that I've ever seen.
What I got from all of that is, basically, that comicalflop's run was well done, but terribly repetetive and misguided. People want to get this published because it is SSB; not because it was the most entertaining run possible, but because they want more N64 runs/a run of SSB in general. In fact, more impressive runs of SSB (nico's Fox run) were rejected, so why should this one be accepted?
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laughing_gas, do you own one of those bobbing bird things that will bob forever if you put water in them? Do you watch it for days on end, because you find it entertaining? Repetition is the enemy of entertainment. We should all stand up against the vile tyrrany of the repetetive bourgoise!
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Game set match Zurreco. This should be rejected then. Any further discussion is a waste of bandwidth.
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AKA wrote:
5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
I have made this suggestion twice before, and I'll make it one last time:
Baxter wrote:
For me, the perfect movie of this game would: - Get all secret characters (this means playing the main game three times, if I'm not mistaken) - Once, beat very hard as fast as possible. - Once, go for highest score, get pacifist on all stages (exept for master hand) if possible) - Once, just go for entertainment, and show off stuff Then, 3 characters are unlocked, and the movie should continue on getting record times on break the targets. this will unlock the last character, and you can make record times on break the targets for everyone. Finally, make records for every character on board the platforms... the stop the movie.
This way, everything this game could possibly show will be in one movie. I don't think we need 5 movies of this game. The fact that there is a "once go for entertainment" suggestion in this movie is because of the fact that I couldn't think of any clear logical goal here. I know this entertainment factor is subjective, but all other objects are not, and to obsolete the movie, you would just have to beat the previous movie at one of those other objects. I also heard about this suggestion "it'd be a huge project"... well maybe, but far bigger projects have been done.
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Homer: "He's drinking the water!" Laughing_gas, your comment works both ways, as demonstrated by Zurreco quoting many many people feeling the other way, since entertainment is subjective. Also, I should really post less, because Zurreco always sums my thoughts up concisely and hilariously. Props.
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Props.
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I thought my Sonic run was contriversal, but this run blows that right into orbit.
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But then, your run is the first one on the orbit. ;)
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Baxter wrote:
The fact that there is a "once go for entertainment" suggestion in this movie is because of the fact that I couldn't think of any clear logical goal here. I know this entertainment factor is subjective, but all other objects are not, and to obsolete the movie, you would just have to beat the previous movie at one of those other objects.
My idea was to go for sheer NUMBER of bonuses, rather than what their total is, since the game keeps track of that in the highest score too. But maybe it's a dumb idea.
AKA wrote:
I thought my Sonic run was contriversal, but this run blows that right into orbit.
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wow, I go away from my computer to watch 30 minutes of Pirates of the Caribbean 2, and in that time 2 pages of posts have been filled out... I don't even know what to make of this submission after so much controversy. For some strange reason, I'm pretty much in full agreement to both sides of the argument to publish/reject it. I think it both has reasons to have it published, due to popularity and optimization, and to have it rejected, because of repetiveness, "fuzzy" goals, and the website's standards. (and it didn't take me long to make because it's a shorter movie, and I'm not emotionally attached to it like I was with DKC2.) For those wishing to have a different TAS of SSB... it's doubtful that'll happen. antd has begun to express disinterest in the fastest Fox (and has become heavily interested in Mario Kart 64) and I currently have no intention of doing this game again, due to the controversy and Jet Force Gemini (it is incredibly addicting to make. And will take me a year or more.) The other option to have a "full" run, playing the game 3 times then doing all the bonuses, would take a long time to do, and I don't think at the moment myself or antd has interest in it.
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comicalflop wrote:
I think it both has reasons to have it published, due to popularity and optimization
These are not reasons for publication, you know.
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