The great devil turned all of the inhabitants of Lala's kingdom to stone. Lolo and Lala go through 100 rooms to defeat him, or something like that. This run is 14 minutes and 50 seconds faster than windeu's rejected submission, and 6563 frames (1 minute and 49.38 seconds) faster than my test run.
FCEU 0.98.16
Aims for fastest time
Abuses programming errors
Colors the inhabitants of Lala's kingdom, but none of them are dinosaurs
The following rooms are not improved from windeu's run: 1-1 through 1-6, 2-6, 3-2, and 13-11 part 2.
The following rooms are improved from my test run:
2-5: 1.9 seconds faster by glitching past the Don Medusa (BoMF)
3-4: 31 frames faster by a more efficient route
3-5: 5.28 seconds faster by not blocking the top right alma (hanzou)
rainbow cutscene: 30 frames faster by walking after pressing start (BoMF)
3-9: 96 frames faster by a more efficient route (BoMF)
3-10: 98 frames faster by more efficient block pushing (Baxter)
4-2: gained 1 frame from fadeout lag
4-3: 125 frames faster by shooting a snakey earlier (Baxter)
4-4: 30 frames faster by using the sand glitch more (Baxter)
4-5: 4 frames faster by not causing lag
4-6: 2 frames faster by making my computer find the optimal boss fight
5-1: gained 1 frame here too, probably fadeout lag again
5-4: 9 frames faster by better alma manipulation
5-5: 61 frames faster by shooting the alma earlier
5-6: 8 frames faster by shooting the boss toward a closer edge
6-1: 9 seconds faster by better Rocky manipulation
6-2: 12 frames faster by making Rocky notice me earlier
6-3: 112 frames faster by a better strategy in the lower area
6-4: 104 frames faster by more efficient block pushing
6-5: 56 frames faster by better manipulation of Rocky's speed
7-1: 25 frames faster by better handling of the 4 Leepers
7-2: gained 1 frame for no reason
7-3: 33 frames faster by getting most of the hearts in the top right area later
7-lag: 11 frames faster by reducing lag
7-5: 3.4 seconds faster by not using the top right block
7-6: 19 frames faster by moving to the left earlier
8-1: 5 frames faster by shooting the egg differently
8-2: 5 frames faster by a more efficient route
8-4: 12 frames faster by shooting the egg differently
9-1: 1 frame faster by shooting a skull earlier
9-2: 4.6 seconds faster by utilizing a moving skull (hanzou)
9-4: 3.73 seconds faster by only killing the skull once
9-5: 109 frames faster by more efficient skull pushing
9-6: 12 frames faster by moving left to hit the boss earlier
10-2: 96 frames faster by more efficient gol pushing
10-5: 127 frames faster by using the extra shot to start pushing the gol earlier
10-6: 2 frames faster, but I don't know why
12-1: 128 frames faster by not blocking a Don Medusa
12-2: 15 frames faster by synchronizing the Don Medusas
12-4: 7.48 seconds faster by using the Don Medusa glitch
12-5: 40 frames faster by better alma manipulation
11-1: 95 frames faster by getting the upper right heart later
11-3: 2 frames faster by a half-step optimization, I suppose
11-4: 48 frames faster by more efficient block pushing
11-5: 61 frames faster by blocking Moby and Medusa
13-1: 4 frames faster by shooting the egg differently
13-2: 3 frames faster by shooting the egg differently
13-3: 9 frames faster by better alma manipulation
13-5: 14.42 seconds faster by blocking Medusa and Don Medusa with the same block
13-6: 9 frames faster by shooting the egg differently
13-7: 100 frames faster by not killing the bottom right snakey the first time
13-8: 25 frames faster by a more efficient route
13-9: 66 frames faster by using a different snakey
13-10: 78 frames faster by a more efficient route
14-1: 4.57 seconds faster by glitching past Don Medusa (hanzou)
14-3: 48 frames faster by choosing better times to push blocks
14-4: 16 frames faster by a half-step optimization
14-5: 8.13 seconds faster by sneaking past Medusa with a snakey
15-1: 88 frames faster by getting the left heart later
15-2: 9 frames faster by getting the bottom right heart later
15-3: 16 frames faster by killing the snakey more quickly
15-4: 14 frames faster by killing the leeper more quickly
16-1: 112 frames faster by more efficient snakey pushing
16-2: 159 frames faster by more efficient block pushing
16-3: 17 frames faster by a half-step optimization
16-4: 17 frames faster by shooting the skull earlier
16-5: 8 frames faster by a half-step optimization
17-1: 17 frames faster by killing the gol more efficiently
17-3: 42 frames faster by more efficient block pushing and killing the snakey earlier
17-5: 1 frame faster by not causing a frame of lag
17-6: 40 frames faster by shooting both eggs more efficiently
17-7: 11 frames faster by a half-step optimization
17-8: 32 frames faster by a step optimization
17-9: 16 frames faster by allowing the snakey to sink earlier
17-10: 3.75 seconds faster by getting the top right heart earlier
17-11: 1 frame faster by shooting the boss more quickly, I guess
NesVideoAgent: Hi! I am a robot. I took a few screenshots
of this movie and placed them here.
Oh! I also corrected the ROM name.
You indicated Adventures of Lolo 3 (U).nes
I updated it to Adventures of Lolo 3 (U) [!p].nes
adelikat: Good viewer response, accepting for publication.
Phew, the movie sure was long! I took two moderate pauses before finishing watching this RPG-like epic.
One hundred of puzzles is definitely too much. Also, they are not as different and unique as in previous Lolo games. But I must say, none of levels made me use fastforward. In fact, I even rewatched some rooms when I felt like I spotted minor improvements - but all of them proved to be slower than current strategies. And during second half of the movie I wasn't quite following the pace, so I could easily miss something.
I'll give this run strong Yes vote, but obviously not everyone can enjoy such kind of speedruns. Fortunately, there are several published Lolo TASes which can introduce this genre to everyone - without boring to death.
If the run will be published (I hope it will), description text should recommend to watch PRO levels and Lolo1 movie before attempting to watch this run.
I feel this is a very well done speedrun of Lolo 3. While this run is a bit long in the tooth, it is nonetheless interesting in its puzzle variety.
Yes vote
Very, very nice run. Not only is it fun to see some very hard puzzles be beaten, they are beaten very fast too. If it were just straightforward puzzles, the previous submission wouldn't be beaten by nearly 15 minutes.
I give this baby a yes vote for the optimization and the amount of work put into it. It's a tough game, and I like seeing tough games beaten.
...Who the heck voted no? I would've liked to hear at least an explanation for that.
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Nice solutions. I remember getting stuck in a few levels for a very long time, when I completed this game some years ago.
The movie is long only because the game has many levels. That is not so bad thing. Voting "yes".
Rick wrote:
Who the heck voted no?
Your question could be optimized a bit by skipping the "heck".
I just watched this, and found it very difficult to keep focused toward the end. However, I think it would be good to finish off the 'trilogy', so I'm in favour of publication. Excellent optimisation, Nitrodon.
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Rick wrote:
...Who the heck voted no? I would've liked to hear at least an explanation for that.
*sigh* must every single no vote be accounted for, even though there are always yes votes that go unaccounted for? "explain yourself" to no votes is dumb. Especially considering that the workbench is, in fact, not a democracy, why does the explanation of no votes matter? This is a long awaited completion to a trilogy, and will be published anyways, so what does a no vote matter anyways?
Lolo games do not interest me, and after many months of the IRC channel being flooded with Nitrodon's "xxx frames gained in 3-04" or what have you, making me think this run would be exciting, the run bored me, and it is incredibly long to boot.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
Easy there, dude, no need to go picking a fight. I personally feel it should go both ways, both to show what was done good and no as to what not was done good. Both sets of info are good to know.
...Who the heck voted no? I would've liked to hear at least an explanation for that.
*sigh* must every single no vote be accounted for, even though there are always yes votes that go unaccounted for? "explain yourself" to no votes is dumb. Especially considering that the workbench is, in fact, not a democracy, why does the explanation of no votes matter? This is a long awaited completion to a trilogy, and will be published anyways, so what does a no vote matter anyways?
I would think this is because voting no signals that you didn't like the movie. Clarifying in a comment exactly why you didn't like the movie will help the author to improve his movie to cater for wider amount of audience if it needs to be refined before re-submitting, if it's possible in limits of the game.
No votes are perceived negative, and I at least, usually like to know why something I did caused a negative reaction, while I can enjoy a positive reaction without thinking twice about it.
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Tombad wrote:
help the author to improve his movie to cater for wider amount of audience if it needs to be refined before re-submitting, if it's possible in limits of the game.
It's the game I hate. The author cannot improve that, the run was optimal (notice how I said it will be published anyways?) seeing how he redid many stages and tested many different paths.
I've always thought that Lolo games are the type of games that are fun to play, but boring to watch. I voted no because it was boring, and way too long. Sorry.
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Even in fast forward I was amazed at some of the solutions and their intricacies, having played some Lolo in my day. Loved this much, total yes vote here
Yes vote here. Long movie, but each level was masterfully done.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few missed improvements, judging from the long development of the Lolo 1 and 2 movies.
Wow. Holy repetitive music batman. I hope you didn't make this with the music on.
Was ok to watch at 200% speed. Looks like it was a lot of fun to make, and optimize. Is it cut/paste friendly?
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This afternoon I got around to sitting down and watching this in full. I also tried playing a few rooms again, and have not managed to find any new strategies faster than those used in the run. Great job on heavily optimizing this, Nitrodon.
My favorite levels are when glitches come into play: 2-5, 12-4, 14-1, 14-2, and 14-5.
Yes vote.
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I own this game for real nes, but I never liked it musch I liked lolo 1 and 2, because it was just too long and much harder than lolo 1 and 2.. And password are just too f*** long..
I watch this when I'm at home.
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