Post subject: Vault runs getting Moon
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http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=342729#342729 According to adelikat, the entertainment cutoff for the vault is 5.7. There are several movies in Vault that have entertainment rating higher than 5.7, for example, Pinball Quest by Aqfaq. Should they be moved?
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Vault/Moon border seems to be unmaintainable manually (who currently adjusts it?) Why not make it automatic then? EDIT:
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Vault/Normal tier gets decided before publishing according to the submission votes. After the publication gets SOME amount of rates, it gets retiered according to the entertainment ratings.
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feos wrote:
Vault/Moon border seems to be unmaintainable manually (who currently adjusts it?) Why not make it automatic then? EDIT:
Feos/Ideas wrote:
Vault/Normal tier gets decided before publishing according to the submission votes. After the publication gets SOME amount of rates, it gets retiered according to the entertainment ratings.
If it's automated, hopefully it won't mess up and accidentally make a playaround (like this) into the vault tier.
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Categories also can be filtered by surely.
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Post subject: Re: Vault runs getting Moon
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NitroGenesis wrote:
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=342729#342729 According to adelikat, the entertainment cutoff for the vault is 5.7.
Correction. The criterion for initial placement of previously published movies was an entertainment rating cutoff at 5.7. adelikat never said that any rating cutoff criteria are currently enforced or that they should be currently enforced. I compiled a list of the 12 lowest-rated (combined rating) Moon-tier publications: [2349] SG1000 Sega-Galaga "fastest high score" by dwangoAC in 00:47.91 4.7 (6 votes) 4.2E 5.5T [2230] A2600 Phoenix by Lollorcaust in 00:18.15 4.7 (9.5 votes) 4.2E 5.7T [516] SNES F-Zero "first track" by Saturn in 02:22.03 5.0 (43.5 votes) 3.8E 7.1T [1039] NES Tecmo Super Bowl "playaround" by adelikat in 11:05.02 5.0 (28 votes) 4.7E 5.7T [2253] GBC Pocket Bomberman "Jump Game" by Robert_Ordis in 01:51.18 5.0 (5 votes) 4.8E 5.4T [1572] SNES Top Gear 2 by Dooty in 11:50.62 5.2 (14.5 votes) 4.3E 7.2T [1008] GB Kid Dracula by Sir_VG in 19:10.83 5.3 (18 votes) 4.7E 6.5T [1355] SNES Ultima: The False Prophet by ketomei in 07:56.07 5.4 (11.5 votes) 4.5E 7.2T [1658] GB Mortal Kombat II "playaround" by AKheon in 09:04.22 5.4 (13 votes) 5.1E 6.2T [2113] SNES Super Putty "all stages" by Dooty in 16:53.17 5.5 (6 votes) 5.3E 6.5T [1975] Arcade The King of Fighters 2001 "playaround" by X2poet in 07:12.25 5.6 (11.5 votes) 5.9E 5.4T [2116] GBA The Wild by TASeditor in 28:39.05 5.7 (6.5 votes) 5.7E 6.0T You may see more here (from bottom of page up): http://tasvideos.org/Movies-Moons-RatingY.html I also compiled a list of the 16 highest-rated (combined rating) Vault-tier publications: (keep in mind that votes may not be representative) [2190] DS Metal Slug 7 by mtvf1 in 21:27.77 7.5 (3 votes) 7.5E 7.6T [2363] SMS Super Boy II by NitroGenesis in 05:55.24 7.2 (4 votes) 7.1E 7.4T [2358] NES Metal Max by suwei in 24:16.57 (1 vote) [2319] GBA Mega Man Battle Network 2 by mtvf1 in 1:38:35.28 7.2 (3 votes) 6.8E 7.8T [2031] GBC Dragon Warrior Monsters (Japan) by tetora_X in 30:36.72 7.1 (3 votes) 6.0E 9.0T [2364] GBC Rockman DX3 by Noxxa in 00:25.40 7.0 (3.5 votes) 7.2E 7.9T [2146] SMS George Foreman's KO Boxing by mike89 in 05:06.13 (1 vote) [853] NES Ghosts 'n Goblins by Arc in 08:23.13 6.9 (28 votes) 6.2E 8.5T [2217] Genesis World of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck "2 players" by Mitjitsu in 18:47.73 (1 vote) [2309] GBC Super Mario Bros. Deluxe "warps" by got4n & negative seven in 04:57.42 6.9 (3 votes) 6.5E 7.7T [1356] SNES Battletoads & Double Dragon: The Ultimate Team "2 players" by White Gastra in 17:50.27 6.9 (18 votes) 6.6E 7.3T [2204] Genesis Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure by beelzebub in 13:04.23 (2 votes) [2267] NES Snow Bros. "1 player" by asdfgary in 13:12.61 6.8 (3 votes) 6.3E 7.8T [891] NES The Karate Kid by nitsuja in 03:09.12 6.8 (27.5 votes) 5.6E 9.1T [984] NES Arkanoid "warps, demo glitch" by Baxter in 04:26.28 6.8 (48 votes) 5.8E 8.7T [1965] SNES Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride by Touch-me in 50:19.53 6.8 (5 votes) 5.4E 9.4T Since there are a lot more, you may see them here (from top of page down): http://tasvideos.org/Movies-Vault-RatingY.html If you think that any movies should change tier, post them in this topic. Keep in mind that there are 68 Star publications, 689 Moon publications, and 469 Vault publications.
Post subject: Re: Vault runs getting Moon
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FractalFusion wrote:
The criterion for initial placement of previously published movies was an entertainment rating cutoff at 5.7. adelikat never said that any rating cutoff criteria are currently enforced or that they should be currently enforced.
I have to agree that an automatic tier placement is not a good idea. While it would certainly be easier, I think that it's better if the tier of each run is decided on a case-by-case basis.
Keep in mind that there are 68 Star publications, 689 Moon publications, and 469 Vault publications.
I wonder if that's too many moons. If there are too many, it kind of muddles its meaning. (Unless "Moon" is meant to be "your average, run-of-the-mill TAS" and "Vault" is meant to be "those that would otherwise be rejected under the old system." I'm not sure I would agree to that kind of categorization, but that's just my opinion of course.)
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I think there's too many stars. Family Feud has one? Are you serious?
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Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
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Stars are exactly 10% of Moons, that's the quota. However, discussing the worthiness of particular stars is always welcome (in a certain thread).
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I think there's too many stars. Family Feud has one? Are you serious?
It has 11th highest entertainment rating among all our publications. And all that are higher are only speed oriented. It does tell something about how worthy it is.
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I think the moon-vault ratio will change in the future, so that it will have more vault movies. It's still a new system and as we can see, there are a number of movies that are placed in the wrong tier. So I'm not too worried about it. Oh and keep Family Feud in the stars. It absolutely deserves this spot! It's one of the best non-speed oriented TASes on the site, along with the ISS Deluxe playaround.
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Tell me one thing that makes Family Feud stand out. It's just text being entered quickly. Not very outstanding when compared to the rest of the TASes there.
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Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
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It's ok to disagree with 80 people, it's understood.
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feos wrote:
It's ok to disagree with 80 people, it's understood.
So we star runs that are just text being entered. But its okay, as long as it's funny. TASVideos: Funny > everything else.
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Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
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Yep.
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The tas was using manipulation with the text (also throwing abuse to the viewer). And creating ironic phrases/words within the game.
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NitroGenesis wrote:
TASVideos: Funny > everything else.
Entertainment > everything else. That movie had phenomenal reception from the audience. It may not be especially interesting to you, but that doesn't mean it's not star-worthy.
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Tell me one thing that makes Family Feud stand out. It's just text being entered quickly. Not very outstanding when compared to the rest of the TASes there.
Obsolete Family Feud with an even more funny entertaining TAS and I'll agree with you.
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1) this is an inappropiate place to talk about the validity of a star movie, we have a thread dedicated to that. 2) Currently there are no rules regarding a published movie changing from Vault to Moon or back. Such a system has merits. The problem I have with it is that I feel like it invalidates the submission voting system. I worry that there will be little point in people contributing with comments/feedback/votes because we can just publish as a vault and see how it goes. Also, I think the rating system is far from accurate and not as informative as a submission thread + votes in gauging the quality of a movie. I'm on the fence about the issue, and as such have chosen inaction for now.
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I'm moving these 8 publications from Moon to Vault: [2349] SG1000 Sega-Galaga "fastest high score" by dwangoAC in 00:47.91 [2230] A2600 Phoenix by Lollorcaust in 00:18.15 [516] SNES F-Zero "first track" by Saturn in 02:22.03 [1572] SNES Top Gear 2 by Dooty in 11:50.62 [2253] GBC Pocket Bomberman "Jump Game" by Robert_Ordis in 01:51.18 [1008] GB Kid Dracula by Sir_VG in 19:10.83 [1355] SNES Ultima: The False Prophet by ketomei in 07:56.07 [2355] SNES Super Bomberman 3 "2 players" by KusogeMan in 25:45.97 (I did the first two already. I'll do the others soon.) I'm still not done. I'm looking at how many movies should be transferred from Moon to Vault or vice versa, and what kind of movies, and when. Also, if you have watched these Moon-tier movies, please have a stop by to give a rating for them: [2335] Genesis Phantasy Star IV "all sidequests, Blast from the Past" by janus in 1:59:10.18 [2381] SNES Metroid Super ZeroMission "101%" by Hoandjzj in 1:19:30.64 [2376] GC Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg "All Levels" by STBM & iongravirei in 2:38:33.47 [2347] NES Solstice: The Quest for the Staff of Demnos "100%" by AndiHoffi in 11:04.74 [2382] SNES The Incredible Hulk by Dooty in 12:10.98 [2291] GBA Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi by Toothache in 1:02:42.05 [2300] Genesis Phantasy Star IV "all sidequests" by janus in 1:55:11.70 [2354] GBC Croc 2 by RingRush in 18:24.00 [2325] MSX Yie Ar Kung-Fu II: The Emperor Yie-Gah by Quibus in 03:45.46 [2312] NES Metal Gear by dunnius in 22:27.58 [2352] NES Sweet Home by K in 40:05.09 [2343] A2600 H.E.R.O. by FractalFusion in 09:55.78 [2386] GBA Rayman Advance by got4n in 1:21:33.31 [2371] PSX Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee by Dooty in 27:01.62 [2375] PSX Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee "100%" by Dooty in 1:03:27.07 Movies that are in moon-tier but are hardly rated (these ones have less than 3 votes) for a long time may end up in Vault in the future.
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FractalFusion wrote:
I'm moving these 8 publications from Moon to Vault: [516] SNES F-Zero "first track" by Saturn in 02:22.03
That doesn't even complete the game.
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jlun2 wrote:
FractalFusion wrote:
[516] SNES F-Zero "first track" by Saturn in 02:22.03
That doesn't even complete the game.
I will allow for retroactive inclusion of older publications that, in the past, only completed part of the game but did so under fastest-time conditions. This does not change the current rule that the movie must be complete to be accepted. I will also rewrite the Vault page to reflect this.