This topic is for the purpose of discussing #3979: NhatNM's NES Cross Fire "Pacifist, No damage" in 05:56.36

Funny, but too repetitive for a Yes vote for me. My reasoning is the same as in the other thread. Good job with the optimization, though.

Thanks! I know I still need learn more than :D Vault is enough for a newbie like me :)

Thanks! I know I still need learn more than :D Vault is enough for a newbie like me :)

A non-standard category such as this (pacifist/no damage) is not Vault-eligible.

Mothrayas: Wouldn't this still qualify as an any% run? I think it's trying to be as fast as possible with some minor speed-entertainment tradeoffs. I'd say this should be Vault-eligible as the first movie of the game, but a later any% movie which ignores the no-damage or pacifist roles could obsolete it.

Why is this cross-goal obsoletion obsession still alive?

How do you do the the 'walk through walls' glitch?

just walking and shoots :)

I love pacifist runs, and this one is short enough that its shortcomings aren't that bad. Yes vote!

Each jump provides a 1 frame movement freeze as you touch the ground again (falling from a block too), so basically, one should avoid jumps as much as possible. This means getting into obstacles will be faster than jumping on them or falling from them. Also, dodging the bullets must be slower than killing the enemies, especially considering that obstacle condition, where enemies don't allow you to enter the wall. And I don't know if no damage is also faster than taking damage. Why people keep using this goal, no damage + pacifist, when it can't even go to Vault if the run was not liked? I would make the fastest possible run to make sure it is done okay in the first place, and only then make a pacifist one, if it represents enough variety over the main branch.

Then am I need make a other version for run and shoots everything for fastest time? I don' think this game can make all your here can like 2 versions with a game

This movie looks like a borderline between Vault and Moons, which is always hard to make a decision about, since it is either mooned or rejected. For now I only think this submissin can be improved by performing wall-clips instead of jumps, like the older movie by Yunsui did. The response from the viewers is too poor to determine if it is generally a liked or a disliked movie. For a non-standard goal that may be critical, while "fastest by any cost" will be published anyway if optimized enough.

but alway walk through walls will slow down speed because lag (same Yunshui got rejected) if want reduce jumps then I must remove pacifist, kill enemies before they can shoot me then I don't need jump for bulltles dodge

I see NO ingame lag even in Yunshui's movie! Only between the scenes. You will also see it if you turn on lag counter (press "/") which you seem to be not using. I have no idea why lag was mentioned in his submission decision at all, because old fceu did not have lag display! Only the gun level-up looks like a misoptimized thing. Moving inside walls doesn't slow you down either, the screen always moves at 1 pixel per frame (RAM address 0x46).

Thanks your suggestion. I tried edit this run on stage 1 with through walls as possible (still pacifist + no damage), but I have slower 6 frames You can watch it: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzCVd8Wx_xS9RWR5VHNJWm5QWnc/edit?

It's here: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/download/7139605034586344

I see, but there is no point in entering a wall if you still jump out of it and still lose 1 frame. You just need to try this strat throughout the run and avoid more jumps.

I'll try find way reduce jumps, but not sure can better...

reduce many jumps and falling, but still slower 3 frames :( http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/download/7164229925714830

Okay, then for this branch it must be optimal. I actually think the votes are OKAY enough to go to Moons (and the content does look nice), but that's just me. Any more opinions anyone?

Solved it, faster 21 frames compare with submission. MOD please help me edit submission. Thanks! :) http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/7167246093741353

Solved it, faster 21 frames compare with submission. MOD please help me edit submission. Thanks! :) http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/7167246093741353

Done. (Also, for your information, mods cannot replace submissions. Judges can.)

Thanks ! :)