Can't shoot until all of the previous bullets disappears
Also, there are some other difference between 2D and 3D mode:
In 2D mode
For S gun, shoot 5 bullets in each time. And only could shoot again while a set of bullets are disappearing. (Especially, if 3 bullets of the first set disappears, and 2 of the second disappears, you can't shoot next new set of bullets.)
For L gun, you'll shoot a long laser if you press Y button at one frame.
In 3D mode
weapon system is similar to nes contra. There is no CD RAM. Or I didn't find out it... Normally, pressing Y button discontinuously is faster than continuously.
Movements is same as Jackal. X or Y speed always equals 2. Not only on horizontal or vertical, but also on diagonal.
movement is not friendly. I searched the speed and position RAM though, speed is not so intuitive. Instead, calculating the position's change is important. And after comparing the different rotation angle, walking on the 45° angle is the fastest. (The actual speed = 2*√2=2.8284)
For S gun, you can shoot S bullet just when any bullet disappears.
For L gun, you can only shoot ONE bullet in every 2 frames. If you want to shoot a long laser, you need to press Y button continuously.
Many more lags before stage 1 start... I don't know how to compare between snes9x 1.43 with bizhawk 2.3.2. So hope someone could help me make a comparision list to show that difference.
And I'll show you a comparision without the emulators' difference.
Stage
Frames saved
Total saved
1
-87
-87
2
43
-44
3
-21
-65
4
-39
-104
5
159
55
6
314
361
Level-by-level notes
Stage 1
S is fastest. So use it instead of C.
I used that tank. It helps me beat boss in 6 frames (fastest). But I don't save any frame... It seems that there is a frame rule for that boss similar to nes contra 1. I tested that the screen starts to move at the same frame after the second boss.
Stage 2
Better movement, better weapon choice and better bullets shooted.
Stage 3
First of all, at the wall boss, I get many more lags... I don't know if it comes from the emulation difference or my unluck. And in my unused movie(you can get the encode from the playlist above), the fewest lags way is beating one bullet from that boss.
A real console can give me the correct answer - the emulation difference or my unluck. So I go to RTA website to find the video. And the movie's author wrote: Stage 3
I use the lasers to snipe the snipers as we move right. After we do the midboss I die and Hurblat does the climb alone. The game lags too much to keep player 2 alive. Keeping player 2 in costs 17 seconds worth of lag. I still get to keep crush on one hand even though I lose all my lives which is awesome. Double crush and crush/laser pretty much wrecks everything as far as the rest of the stage goes. In case you're wondering why I have laser, the range helps in stage 4 and it also makes the boss fight in stage 5 much more consistent.
Jump at a better frame before the first tall wall.
So it's emulation difference. And I changed to use their idea: Make one of the the players die. And rebirth after. But still takes a long time... Because of more lags.
Faster boss fight.
Stage 4
61 lags more than previous run. So it's faster if you ignore that lags' difference.
Stage 5
Better movement, better weapon choice, and better bullets shooted.
Stage 6
Better weapon choice, and better bullets shooted.
Specially, the final boss r2, you need at least 3 rounds to beat it. And after a round, boss's HP will decrease 1/2. And each attack form has its own timer. Here a picture shows every timer.(It's not absolute, it's around that value.) So player's damage in the first round is 1/4, in the second round is 1/2. So you need to choose a shorter timer form in first two rounds.
contra 1 mini boss: 1 frame saved. contra 1 boss: 2 frames lost. contra 2 boss: 1 frame lost. contra 2 arcade boss: 4 frames saved. final boss r1: 43 frames saved. final boss r2: 154 frames saved. final boss r3: 74 frames saved.
RAM watch
Because running ram watch window is much slower, I used lua to watch them, instead. And I'll give you the lua file in the forum.
Other RAM I used
Some ram I didn't show in the lua, So I will give you here.
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Soig wrote:
For publishers, you just dump the video and upload to Youtube which we submitter have done before.
Have you actually watched the publication fsvgm777 did on your Contra 4 TAS? If you haven't, I recommend you watch it. She took time to make that to make sure that the user can see the main screen of where the player is.
I'm personally still working on Publishing Bowser's Inside Story, that was accepted 220 days ago, that's 7 months.
It's not just dump and upload, we take our time and we make sure everything is correct and that there isn't a single error. Of course errors will crop up and we do eventually fix it even if it takes 5 years to do something like that.
Our worst time is December cause we need to work as a team to get everything that's accepted published before the New Year, and if it doesn't, we miss it and we have to well publish our failures of missing the deadline of the New Year.
We do this for free by the way.Soig wrote:
Bizhawk, and make us to use it. Its emulation is more accurate, I know. But it runs too slow.
BizHawk isn't an emulator that's forced down your throat, you can still use FCEUX and snes9x 1.5x.
People still use Gens to make movies and submit them even with the audio accuracy errors.
Accuracy is the cost of performance, that's the bottom line.
Soig wrote:
You said I shouldn't doing this bad things. I just need to improve my work. Why? You're unfair. And I cost a long time to improve it. And give it to you? You get my work. Upload the video and get several thousand replay or even more, becomes more famous. You are earned. But what for me?
What you're reading is a translation error.
I've said you can choose to say whatever you want, but that's not you. You're not a person who would say or do these "bad things".
I've also said you can make it a group project. EZGames69 offered his hand to you for joining him to create a new Contra TAS improvement.
I'm not making it unfair, you're making it impossible to actually try to explain to you this situation of your breakdown.
It would be nice if there was a native English to Chinese person here that could accurate translate what we're saying, but we have to guess, and we're both guessing wrong.
Like I said, I have projects hitting 5 years old now, I know the burden of how long it takes to make a TAS.
Also, none of us gets famous only TASVideosChannel, the community's channel.
The entire point of trying to get it to one YouTube account is to try and get more people to get into TASing or speedrunning.
And I'm not earned, after all you made a comment about it.
This is the last comment I'm going to leave for you. You're making it impossible to talk to you and I'm trying my bloody darnedest out of all the Staff members to actually talk to you and trying to get you to understand but you're not having any of it and that's what annoying all because you submitted 3 movies and 2 of them were a rushed job TAS because you stated that you weren't going do something and then instantly jumped on doing a project about it.
I'm done here.
I'm not going to bother responding any more posts you make.
I'm going to refuse to actually read anything you write.
If another user tells me what you're writing and it's something bad about me that's fine. I don't care what you say towards me or behind my back.
When you've stooped to this low and continue to drag yourself in the mud, it's not worth my time to waste here with your hands in your ears instead of continuing my own work that I need to get done.
It was nice talking to you when you were still sane.
Bye.
WebNations/Sabih wrote:
+fsvgm777 never censoring anything.
Disables Comments and Ratings for the YouTube account.Something better for yourself and also others.
So first of all, right next to the submit button there is the following:
By pressing "Save/Edit" you agree to publish this content under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 license.
This means that if you submit to tasvideos.org you give us irrevocable permissions to keep your movie hosted. I'm sad that you want to take down your movies but this is just how things are handled.
Now as for the pacifist run from 2012, if things went how you said they did, I believe accepting that run was a mistake on our part. A known record is absolutely a known record. The rules are clear in that regard.
I did not reject your run due to EZGames69's WIP. I rejected your run due to the known submission that completed the game faster: #6091: Mr_K's SNES Contra III: The Alien Wars "2 players" in 12:48.97. Should that submission have been canceled to begin with? Probably not, but that wasn't our decision.
I do not expect perfection from you. I do not expect perfection from anyone. Perfection is nearly impossible to prove after all. I merely expect collaboration and team work.
Please do not make the judges and publishers jobs out to be easy. I'm still a TASer myself and know very much the struggles that come along with it.
This attitude of yours deeply saddens me as I used to hugely respect your work. I really hope you don't quit due to all this.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
I did not reject your run due to EZGames69's WIP. I rejected your run due to the known submission that completed the game faster: #6091: Mr_K's SNES Contra III: The Alien Wars "2 players" in 12:48.97. Should that submission have been canceled to begin with? Probably not, but that wasn't our decision.
I did not reject your run due to EZGames69's WIP. I rejected your run due to the known submission that completed the game faster: #6091: Mr_K's SNES Contra III: The Alien Wars "2 players" in 12:48.97. Should that submission have been canceled to begin with? Probably not, but that wasn't our decision.
WIP is not here. It's for contra force.
Could you bring it up in that thread then? I was confused because you were talking about it in the contra 3 thread.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Soig,I just want to say:you are an importunate man.We don't have to favor you like a child.Whatever you said is meaningless.For example,you said your videos were uploaded by other people without your permission.This has nothing to do with this site.You should sue those men instead of complain here.As far as I know,you(Soig)are also one thief,you stole many other videos.
Soig wrote:
Because I know it's not easy, I didn't submit my work until Mars's work published. But another one don't know that principle and post his WIP.
You hinted someone(I) don't know principle.Who creates this principle?You or administrators?Why need I obey this principle?Why need I submit my work after publishing your work?Why need we publish one work twice?I can submit my work at any time.This is my freedom.
You said you had got unfair treats here.I don't think there's any injustice here.You submnitted three works,and two of them were rejected since there had been better works.The third one was cancelled by youself.So where is injustice?The reason you can't keep your mood and attitude is because other men do better than you instead of unfair treats.
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Soig wrote:
Making TAS is not easy. It always cost much long time. But as for you judgers and publishers, you get our works everyday. So getting a TAS becomes a very easy thing for you.
For judgers, you just wait for several days, and browse the postbacks, watch the movie. Then give us a decision and write down some words.
For publishers, you just dump the video and upload to Youtube which we submitter have done before.
But I don't know why these easy works always need a longer time than us. I cost 1 month. You'll cost 2 months. Maybe if you finished a submission more quickly, the submit page would be empty.
We have judge role requirements, movie rules, and judge guidelines that demand that judges work hard, be thorough, kind, helpful. And we try to meet those requirements, provide useful feedback that'd help authors make better movies.
But we are still regular people and we are imperfect. Sometimes we make mistakes, and it may not be easy to acknowledge them. But if we want to improve the quality of our work, we need to investigate the problems harder, study them deeper, and learn from our mistakes. I can speak for myself because years ago my judgments were sloppy, but I greatly improved since then. Still doesn't mean I am now perfect either.
Soig wrote:
Because I know it's not easy, I didn't submit my work until Mars's work published. But another one don't know that principle and post his WIP. What I can't believe is that YOU, YOU, YOU many people, reject mine with that WIP. I know why you do that. You will get that improvements finally, and rejecting mine won't cause any lose to yourself. So you did that. But for me, it's unfair. So I don't want to continue that TAS.
If I guess not wrong, the submitter, who submit the contra run, and whose movie is rejected during publication underway, didn't he continue to make the next TAS? Maybe he could have continued to make more TAS. But he is hurted by you.
TASing is a hobby that requires a lot of effort. But it is also a competition. People have been competing at it since the beginning. Here's an example that's taking place right now. See how many improvements it got since the original movie was submitted. Also see how the original author was ready to beat everyone else's time over and over. The spirit of competition does this, and it's inherent to TASing.
Of course any movie can be improved anytime, I don't understand what's insulting in this very fact. If your movie can be improved, the other person's movie can also be improved by you. It's up to you whether you handle it like a competition or like a collaboration, but the main process is still the same when we have several people interested in the same games.
We as a site try not to be unfair. Yet as I said we are imperfect, and sometimes complicated situations are really hard to resolve to make everyone equally happy. Some people will feel more upset than others. It's reality. Even though we always try to avoid confrontations, we can't predict everything.
Soig wrote:
Because the grow up, we can make a TAS faster and faster. And TASers become more and more in this site. So as for you, we submitter becomes more and more unimportant. This world won't change any more if someone disappear or leave. So you can give unfair treats to anyone sometimes. If the submitter is young, he may improve the TAS as you say. But the worst is that the submitter becomes angry and leave here. But it doesn't matter to this site. A man leave, another man will come. And the movie made by the previous man is still here. So it won't cause loss to this site and you judgers and publisher and other stuff. It only causes loss to ourselves, the movies' authors. We can't take our own things. And leave them here to make the site more well-known.
We aren't always equally nice to everyone, but we still try to make tasvideos a better place for regular users as well as TASers. My personal rule here is to never let the TASer feel ignored and disrespected. This involves constantly talking to people who participate in submission discussions: other staff members, TASers, regular users.
This year we managed to resolve the confrontation that happened around HappyLee's latest movie. I apologized for how the community mistreated him, and I think I cured his anger towards us. Also I said that the only way to resolve a major contradiction is a compromise.
I apologized to you here regarding your other canceled submission. And when you made a new movie with the same goals, I dug deeper and investigated what was misinterpreted about your run. I concluded that the audience got wrong impression and there was no reason to cancel it. It took time, but I fixed the imperfect solution and the confusion.
Soig wrote:
You said I shouldn't doing this bad things. I just need to improve my work. Why? You're unfair. And I cost a long time to improve it. And give it to you? You get my work. Upload the video and get several thousand replay or even more, becomes more famous. You are earned. But what for me? I get only several hundred replays. And In order to get it, I need to do the same work twice? It should have been accepted. But it's not.
TASVideos youtube channel has never been monetized and it will never be monetized. We earn absolutely nothing from TASes we publish. All we earn is people's awareness, so they see movies, get inspired, become members of the community and contribute in some way. No money is involved.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Soig, once again, per the site rules: please post in English or provide translations in English. If you want to make personal comments to other Chinese users, send them a private message.
This is my final warning.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
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Whatever Soig said is really meaningless.You are a gaint infant,even a scoundrel.Maybe nobody can kill you,but I can sue you in China/Bilibili.You've received the punishment you deserve there.I advise you not to be too arrogant.Most players can beat your works since principle of tas.You are just one very common taser.
Whatever Soig said is really meaningless.You are a gaint infant,even a scoundrel.Maybe nobody can kill you,but I can sue you in China/Bilibili.You've received the punishment you deserve there.I advise you not to be too arrogant.Most players can beat your works since principle of tas.You are just one very common taser.
Xipo please stop you are not helping at all.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
