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Whatever the best port is, subjectively.
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Acumenium wrote:
No one can compete because it's strictly a TAS run due to the bizarre frame-perfect glitching and use of multiple directions here. Walkathons can be competed with by normal people. Doesn't matter if the TAS is faster---you can at least try to play against it, and it's a goal that real people can try and entertain.
You're basically saying that being superhuman (TAS only) is a flaw of this TAS. I've never seen such an argument before.
Acumenium wrote:
If ROM hacks have to enter a fierce survival of the fittest to determine what can occupy the limited spaces of Moons when the hacks only faintly relate to each other in terms of entertainment space, I am very curious why entirely arbitrary goals like only pressing one of the buttons [x] amount of times is something that can be kept and maintained as a tier, especially when the goal has no possible speed focus. Routing can determine how quickly you can complete a walkathon, so there's still an element of speedrunning to those. This has none, speed is not a focus.
I already explained why 62 A presses is not an arbitrary number. Did you skip that part? And yes, this movie does aim for shortest time as a secondary goal, lowest A being the primary one.
Acumenium wrote:
Per Oxford and Merriam-Webster, both sourced there, the words are indeed a bit different and minimal refers to something that is almost at the lowest point, but not quite.
Yeah let's quote the actual thing they linked:
minimum
    1 The least or smallest amount or quantity possible, attainable, or required. ‘keep costs to a minimum’
      1.1 The lowest or smallest amount of a varying quantity (e.g. temperature) allowed, attained, or recorded. ‘clients with a minimum of £500,000 to invest’
The 1.1 is literally what this movie is. And if you look closely at the example for 1, it also matches: it doesn't require a proof that there's absolutely no way on earth to make it even lower. Just presence of a goal and some cost that's considered attainable minimum, not even known in advance. Exactly like this movie.
Acumenium wrote:
Speed is an arbitrary goal if there's no end point. How fast you can run does not matter if it's not specifying for how long, or for what distance. Everyone can be Usain Bolt for one step but I don't think they'll be like him for a ten yard dash, or for an hour. Super Mario Bros. has a clear ending point: saving Princess Peach. If ACE could do this at the title screen, that would be the fastest method to do it, like in Mario 3. I wouldn't even compare this type of run to the submitted and likely to be canceled run of SMS California Games as that at least lists a defined goal that is easily understandable: you beat the default high score. That is the "endpoint". Going past it makes no sense per the game itself.
I don't see what point you're proving here.
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I got similar desyncs when I tried to make a sloppy tas test with interim libTAS+FlashPlayer. It looks like it's not fully supported just yet: https://github.com/clementgallet/libTAS/issues/390
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Latest interim that I may not work on anymore. https://yadi.sk/d/wYOCp2OueNWveA
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Does it work on interim libTAS?
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WarHippy wrote:
I want to compare this to your warpless walkathon run. What if you ended up having to press B in order to cross the gap in 4-3? That would immediately have put the entire run into a gray area.
Since avoiding B completely was already very possible with warps, submitting "1 B press, warpless" would feel underdeveloped. So naturally, it only was submitted when true walkathon was achieved.
WarHippy wrote:
And now you want to pass off a Jumpless run with "only" 60+ jumps? Trying to disguise it as minimum A presses is too much of a stretch for me.
The very first sentence of the submission text reads:
Mario got tired of jumping, so he thought: how do I save the princess with the fewest jumps?
And then:
We ended up using only 62 A presses. It's also a completion with the fewest jumps.
Why do you think this movie is meant to be "Jumpless"? Why do you think there's something to disguise here, when it's stated at the top of the submission? Why do you think the authors aren't being honest with their goals? Are you reading their minds?
Acumenium wrote:
A walkathon isn't very comparable, it's not an arbitrary goal, is something anyone can try and compete against (just don't press B), etc. This isn't.
Why can't anyone compete here?
Acumenium wrote:
That's not the "minimum B presses", it's literally none. This does press A though, and quite a lot. It is the definition of arbitrary.
It presses A as few times as known to be possible, which is what "minimum" means. If 0 is possible, 0 is minimum. When you try to complete a game in minimal time, you don't say "it's not 0 frames therefore it's arbitrary", do you? Because it wouldn't be "movie duration the author arbitrarily picked and decided to stick to", it'd be, once again, known minimum, of time. Same thing with A and B presses in this and in walkathon.
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This is the same definition of 100% as on SRC, which is actually "all levels", right?
FractalFusion wrote:
The only thing that determines whether a hack is accepted (or similarly for non-hacks, what tier a movie should go into) is the judge's opinion. Nothing else. One could even argue that voting is completely useless.
This is wrong BTW. It's often that a judge doesn't agree with what the audience finds entertaining or boring, and it's not exceptional to go with the audience in the actual judgment. It's how it's been working ever since 2012. Feedback is fundamentally subjective, and it's meant to be an important part of tiering exactly as subjective tastes. Hacks specifically get handled like Moons branches, which means they can obsolete one another. For this one, it looks like a better (and more popular) SMB3 Kaizo hack has already been published and got much better feedback. So improving that movie instead would indeed be a great idea.
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Is it the hardest to play through?
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$C68B decreases from 0x0F to 0 at level 15, and it doesn't go below 0, so enemies move at the same slow speed since then. So just beat the hardest level.
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That way it won't have a chance to get accepted!
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The movie (replay) file, not the video.
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Do you have a movie?
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What happens if yo just keep playing though? Or poke the level number and go through farther levels to see how they operate?
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Also I couldn't find any info about this game at all. Is it available anywhere in any form?
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DrD2k9 wrote:
If we're wanting to allow any score below the maximum to be considered for "fastest completion," then any score that the game considers good enough for progress should be allowed. This would require including games where complete failure in an event (via attempts resulting in only faults) would have to be allowed for "fastest completion" if the game allowed the player to continue beyond that point. The above mentioned Decathlon game would be in this category, it allows for complete failure of a score based event while still progressing to the end of the game. I wouldn't like the idea of accepting things that way.
"Good enough to progress" is unrelated to our reasons. This game doesn't prevent progressing through events regardless of score. The fundamental difference between this run and a max score run is that you can end events early, instead of waiting for the time to run out while you keep scoring points. And there's still infinite speedrun potential if you only need to score above a certain value and end the event ASAP: there's unknown quantity of possible score units you'd be getting, and there is a function between how little score you get and how long it takes to get it, that you need to figure out.
Samsara wrote:
it completes the single quantifiable objective set out by the game ("beat these high scores") in the fastest possible time.
Agreed. I see it as the only way to tell us "Success!" that this game has, while in other games it's done simply by letting you play further. There's nothing iffy about getting or not getting the high scores, so it's a clear cut in itself. Of course it still matters if the community also interprets the game's language the way we do.
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It's the definition the community agreed on in the previous submission thread. IIRC people just wanted it to include a few more things.
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Resolution seems to always go third, so getting the height should be reliable. Note varies too much indeed, but if it contains "fps" we could use that info. The end result would only contain what the biggest video height is there, and what the highest framerate is, well and the link itself. Does this make sense?
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feos wrote:
It'd be nice if someone posted A counts for other SMB branches.
MovieFrame count"A" countAwesomeness ratio
"maximum coins"94370234540.24307
"all items"71438166143.00903
"warpless"67117137248.91909
"warpless, walkathon"91304150360.74783
"warps"1786828662.47552
"-3 stage ending"989313274.94697
"minimum A presses"3752562605.24193
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Well if you have all the links to needsUpdate in a file, then someone can run a more detailed script on those rather than the entire channel. Also there are other channels tasvideos encodes are scattered around: http://tasvideos.org/Uploaders-Site-YouTube.html
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2160p-non-60fps may be a legitimate and desired format for games that run at 30fps. And for some runs it's a 30fps encode for actual 60fps game, even if it's 2160p too. Those 2 types of encodes are hard to automatically distinguish, so it'd be helpful to print whatever is available for ones that needsUpdate.
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For future purposes, I think it'd be more useful to print details about the best available stream (not what YT marks as "best" tho). yt-dl doesn't print info on just bestvideo, so I guess one would have to parse everything from -F and then pick the highest note (or list them all?), for example 2160p60.
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Post subject: Re: Judging Dispute?
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GamesFan2000 wrote:
I'm a little bit confused about the judging situation regarding this TAS. This was claimed almost immediately by one of the senior judges, but then it reverted to being unclaimed a couple days ago, and now adelikat has claimed it. No pressure, but what happened?
Judges sometimes unclaim submissions. There's infinity of possible reasons, even tho it doesn't happen often. But nothing to worry about.
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This game reminds me of #6565: DrD2k9's C64 Decathlon "maximum score" in 09:35.02. There's no indication of whether you win or lose, and you still advance through the events and reach the game end. There's a "game over" in some events but it doesn't prevent getting the new score record, so "game over" is obtained in this run when it's enough score to quit. You even still get the "1st" bowl even if you fail completely in every event! One could argue that the event is completed exactly when you get a high score for it. But 1) it's an arbitrary definition, espectially after having gotten game over right before it, and 2) it's basically the same metric as in max score, but one just stops in the middle. I feel there's too little difference between getting N score and getting max score. Definitely a max score run would obsolete this movie if we publish it. The main question is: Do we want to agree that getting high scores in all events means fastest completion for them?
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mklip2001 wrote:
I don't remember if the judging criteria is still stricter for accepting new hacks.
Non-official games wrote:
Game hacks must be accepted by the community as being entertaining enough to make it to the Moons tier, usually by showing unique gameplay or brand new content. Hacks of the same game may obsolete each other if the new hack is deemed to show off more unique content.
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