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Posted: 8/10/2015 1:35 AM
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Thinking about it, the issue with rating comes down to how it's presented. We could keep with a numerical system but fashion it in a different way so that it isn't two check-boxes per subject (don't know if that's the right word). Why not a slider-like meter that displays the numerical value of your rating (even the decimals) sort of in the way the 5-star system works. I'm searching for an image to show what I'm picturing, but can't seem to find one at the moment. That, combined with not being sent to a different page, would make the line of action something like: publication page>rate this movie>one click for entertainment>one click for technical quality>send data. This at least cuts the amount of clicks in half in my view.

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Posted: 8/10/2015 1:36 AM

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ALAKTORN wrote:

I think private ratings are for pussies. If I dislike your movie I’ll rate it 1 and tell you you’re stupid.

Yo I don't submit things here anymore but if you want to just PM me that I'm stupid that would be OK with me.

TehBerral wrote:

Why not a slider-like meter that displays the numerical value of your rating (even the decimals) sort of in the way the 5-star system works.

The current system is already a dropdown numerical value. I don't know what you're getting at unless you somehow have a different rating process.

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Posted: 8/10/2015 1:50 AM

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I'm getting at something ugly like this. Only not thrown together in 30 seconds with Paint.net. Again, just spitballin'.

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Posted: 8/10/2015 2:35 AM

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TehBerral wrote:

Why not a slider-like meter that displays the numerical value of your rating (even the decimals) sort of in the way the 5-star system works. I'm searching for an image to show what I'm picturing, but can't seem to find one at the moment.

That sounds similar to my 3-click image idea from a while back. There are some solid ideas in the posts after that too: I like adelikat's idea about a small rating box popping up on the same page, and AnS' idea for confirming your selected numbers after being shown a list of your similarly rated movies.

Posted: 8/10/2015 2:51 AM

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Wow, Kirby, those ideas mentioned actually sound really good and would solve a lot of people's issues with voting. Why wasn't there anymore talk about it further? Or was there in another thread?

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Posted: 8/10/2015 3:05 AM

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My guess would be the issues addressed by adelikat in implementing the ideas due to a lack of coders. There was also an earlier thread discussing the issue, though I haven't found anything more recent besides this thread. Do you think it would help if someone made a list of the best ideas and let someone who's familiar with the site code choose the most feasible option?

Posted: 8/10/2015 3:39 AM
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CoolKirby wrote:

Do you think it would help if someone made a list of the best ideas and let someone who's familiar with the site code choose the most feasible option?

Absolutely. Currently, the needed options (from what I've read) seem to be *the ability to vote with less clicks involved (the suggested, and perhaps in the future, revised interface helps that) *the ability to vote solely entertainment or technical if one chooses to *the ability to see a list of other movies that the user has voted on (this emphasizes the idea of a personal collection, much like a favorites list on YouTube) *have the options displayed on the publication's page itself, or have it as part of a simple dropdown menu rather than a separate page (this will help those that have slower internet speeds by not forcing them to open another page) *The ability to remove your rating if you so choose *the ability to rate a movie even before it’s published Those are just a few I gather, any more ideas that we can agree upon I'd be happy to add/remove items on this list to save this thread becoming a series of letters to Santa.

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Posted: 8/10/2015 3:53 AM

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I know you can already do that, but I'm listing ideas we also don't want to lose from any potential changes well (as this has been a concern). But I will add that suggestion as well. By the way, is this thread still "Off Topic" if we're talking about something regarding site module implementation.

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Posted: 8/10/2015 7:20 AM

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"10 clicks"

Okay, I tested it again. The maximum amount of clicks is 10. The minimum amount of clicks required is 3: 1. Click to start rating the movie. 2. Click to rate the movie. 3. Click to confirm that you have rated the movie. Other sites just do it with one click: 1. Rate the movie. Which one is better?

Posted: 8/10/2015 7:41 AM

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aqfaq,i believe its best for the second option,but have both entertaing and technical categories for voting

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Posted: 8/10/2015 10:21 AM

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Posted: 8/10/2015 3:24 PM

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I haven't read most of this topic yet, so sorry if some things were already mentioned. I had some talks with Nach a few months back about improving the rating system to be easier. The idea was to replace the ratings link/page with a simple form on the publication module itself with text input and/or a slider to input the entertainment and tech ratings. Combined with a confirm button, that'd bring the number of clicks needed to put in any rating down to 3 (or 2 if you only fill in one rating) and no need to go to different pages. We never got around to doing it because of lack of coding manpower, and lack of people who know enough site code/ratings code/publication module code to dare touch it or do anything with it. (In other words, we'd probably need Nach to get on it).

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Posted: 8/10/2015 5:56 PM

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You can reduce it down to two if you just kinda rip off what IMDB does—a semi-discrete gauge that shows your last input to it and turns into a slider-like selection entity on hover. Just look at it... so simple and elegant. We can repurpose that concept for our needs and circumstances. As I see it un my mind, our gauge requires more precision (down to .5 would be necesary, not sure if all the way down to .1 is feasible in that approach), and there would be two of them (ideally color-coded in a non-garish way), using some stylistically appropriate image as a "full decimal". Moreover, they could combine into one average rating gauge when you remove the cursor and only expand back on hover.

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Posted: 8/10/2015 6:14 PM

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Thanks for the info, Mothrayas. Nice to hear it's been discussed.

Mothrayas wrote:

Combined with a confirm button

Is there a good reason for this? Why can't the single click also be the confirmation of it?

moozooh wrote:

rip off what IMDB does

This is a great idea.

moozooh wrote:

our gauge requires more precision

Why? Isn't it possible that a simpler design makes more people vote, which would make the ratings more accurate? I'd say just make it as simple as possible and trust the wisdom of the crowd.

Posted: 8/10/2015 9:42 PM

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I agree with aqfaq Is there anyway to simply get rid of the "send data" button? I can't think of any other side that makes you do that. Simply give the rating and you're done. One click per subject. It would be a bit weird if every time you wanted to like a video on YouTube you then had to confirm it. By the way, I love how this has become, essentially, a module implementation frame war.

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Posted: 8/10/2015 9:55 PM

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TehBerral wrote:

a module implementation frame war.

Maybe we should have a face recognition tool and some sensors on our bodies that evaluate our emotional states during a TAS. A program then rates movies automatically based on our biometric data. 0 clicks required.

Posted: 8/10/2015 10:16 PM

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TehBerral wrote:

I agree with aqfaq Is there anyway to simply get rid of the "send data" button?

The bulk of the site code was developed before AJAX was very popular or strongly supported. What you are suggesting pretty much requires it. That in itself is not a problem nowadays, but it would probably require a significant refactoring of the underlying code. (Not only would the web page contain the javascript necessary, but it requires backend support from the server. In other words, it requires for somebody to develop it. It's not something that's simply done in five minutes.) Without AJAX you are pretty much restricted to "submit" buttons to send data to the server. (I suppose clicking the rating scale could work as a "submit" button in itself, but that means that it would have to reload the page from the server to get an updated rating. And since there are two ratings, you would be doing it twice. But even this way would require some refactoring of the existing backend code.)

Posted: 8/10/2015 10:32 PM

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I thought AJAX was around for a while. I get what you're saying, though. Basically, in order to facilitate this the whole site, essentially, would have to undergo a HUGE time-consuming restructuring code-wise. Plus someone with the time and knowledge (and who also cares enough) to do it. I'm not a programmer by any means, so excuse me if this is a dumb question. But is there anyway that, from a programming perspective, the publication pages themselves could be re-coded (for lack of a better word) to facilitate this idea without it too badly affecting the rest of the site's code? Seeing how much the publication pages are tied into things like movie/player/voter statistics and various other things on the site, I would guess not.

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Posted: 8/14/2015 1:21 AM

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TehBerral wrote:

I'm not a programmer by any means, so excuse me if this is a dumb question. But is there anyway that, from a programming perspective, the publication pages themselves could be re-coded (for lack of a better word) to facilitate this idea without it too badly affecting the rest of the site's code? Seeing how much the publication pages are tied into things like movie/player/voter statistics and various other things on the site, I would guess not.

I'm not a programmer either, but from what I understand it's not exactly difficult to do something like this. We just need the right person (I.E, someone with direct access to the site code) to be willing to make this change and it should come about.

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Posted: 8/14/2015 2:46 PM

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There's a dev snapshot of tasvideos, it can be tested out there if one is able to code it.

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Posted: 9/14/2015 7:46 PM

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This is about the movie ratings on TASVideos. I - and some others - have uttered that they feel that (their) published TASes are unjustly rated. Everyone comes up with a different meaning of how good a movie must be perceived to receive a certain rating. Maybe this aspect could be discussed here. But I have also been meaning to publicly give a technical rating for my own currently published movies and justify those ratings. Since this is going to be just my own TASes, I felt that this topic didn't have enough merit to be posted in the General forum section. Please note that I don't want to call names of people who I think rated unjustly. Please don't start flamewars. --- Kirby & The Amazing Mirror 100% in 58:10, received 8.4 technical rating. I would give it a 7.5, because of known possible improvements (soft reseting, better boss strategies, some route changes, optimization in general) that can improve this run by about 3 minutes. Bubble Ghost in 4:41, received 7.1 technical rating. I would give it a 8.5 because this has been rather well optimized and although I state that it may be possible to boost the bubble on different frames for different directions, it isn't likely going to save much time (if it even exists, it hasn't been tested). Kid Niki (Ganso!! Yanchamaru) in 8:49, received 7.4 technical rating. I would give it a 9.5 because this game has been glitch hunted to death by me. I have not come up with any techniques or glitches. When inside a wall you can only zip upwards, not horizontally. The only known improvement is in the first level at a floating block that gives many coins (I believe that's the place I have in mind), because the jump onto that block can be improved by very few frames - otherwise I think of the movie to be perfected. Kirby's Dream Land in 8:44, received 8.7 technical rating. The TAS was well optimized on lag reduction. However, more lag reduction may be possible (it isn't very well understood why the same area sometimes lags more, and sometimes less). Subpixel optimization wasn't done at all. Dedede was rushed, so the strategy for him could be even faster. I think I would give this a 8.0 for those reasons. Volley Fire in 9:31, received 6.5 technical rating. I would give this a 9.0. Maybe even a 9.5, because I have optimized this very well and there are no particular known improvements other than "more optimizing". I don't think that many frames can be squeezed out of this though. Super Mario Land in 12:08, received 8.7 technical rating. It can be improved maybe by up to 1 second by using what I described in the forum topic for this game (delaying on the title screen etc.). Otherwise it is perfect. Someone said they have found a checkpoint bug which may improve this run greatly if it is true (which means I would give this a 5.0 rating). Unfortunately, the finder has yet done little to provide any information, raising the suspicion that his report was a fake (which wouldn't be unprecedented). Kirby & The Amazing Mirror, received 8.1 technical rating. I would give this a 9.5 because it was heavily optimized. No known improvements whatsoever (except for if we can manipulate CPU Kirbys to acquire Magic and use that to give us an ability mix whenever we want it - unfortunately, the RNG for that behavior hasn't been found yet. I have spent like 3 nights on researching it.) Tennis in 4:51, received 6.0 technical rating. I would give it a 9.0. There are no particular known improvements. Survival Kids in 27:58, received 7.4 technical rating. Maybe I would give it a 8.5. It was well optimized, and there are no particular known improvements aside from a console speedrunner that mentioned you don't have to listen to the radio (which would save about 1-3 seconds if it is true - I swear I tested for it and it didn't work though... Version difference hell?). Master Karateka in 2:39, received 5.3 technical rating. I would give it a 9.0, because it is well optimized with no particular known improvements. The final boss room is what keeps me from giving this 9.5, because the bird makes me walk (I can't run in presence of enemies), but it is probably unavoidable. --- Feel free to rate your own movies like I did. Or discuss movie ratings in general.

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Posted: 9/14/2015 7:53 PM

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