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We seem to have concluded with the bulk moving of movies, we're working on manually determining the rest.
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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What's your youtube account name?
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I'd like to emphasize that while people are free to criticize the TAS, they should still be civil and constructive.
There were some RARE reedeming points (pills against drowning + MAYBE some answers in the very last round) for this TAS, but most of the answers are immature and pretty pathetic. If they were meant to be jokes, then I cry over your sense of humour.
Tased loser, cya dope.
No vote.
Comments like this put the author down. Humor is a skill that can be improved upon. You can express your distaste for the movie without putting down the author in the process.
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I completely agree with this assessment.
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Judge Guidelines updated to reflect changes.
EDIT: Looks like the publisher guidelines has a small section dedicated to Tier. I'm unsure about updating it until the publisher form itself refers to classes rather than tiers. Same with Wiki: EncodingGuide/PublicationManual.
Wiki: MovieTokens is a similar issue as is Wiki: TextFormattingRules/ListOfModules.
EDIT2: also Wiki: TierMaintenanceLog I'm unsure about
EDIT3: I think most references to Vault and Tiers are edited out besides the types of stuff I mentioned above, User pages and the like, Submissions (duh), and alternate language variants. Also can definitely check off "Update Movie Rules"
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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feos wrote:
They are in Standard.
I meant the actual Movie Rules page rather than the class description page.
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Updating movie rules to account for the changes. If anyone has any plans of making edits to the movie rules page before I finish, let me know otherwise I might accidentally revert your edit in the massive changes I will be making.
EDIT: Finished with changes to Movie Rules and to Submission Instructions, will be looking into additional wiki pages that need changing.
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c-square wrote:
A couple thoughts/questions: I noticed that the new rules have no triviality restriction. I personally believe there shouldn't be one, however I wanted to double-check to make sure I'm understanding it correctly, especially given a recent conversation around the subject. Under the new rules, runs are acceptable as long as they exhibit sound TAS techniques throughout, appear optimal, and beat all known records for their chosen goal. Do I have that correct?
I also noticed that there is no criteria stating that the movie must stand out from unassisted play. I do think there would be value to adding this rule back in. As I mentioned in my post above, I believe the value of this site is to offer movies showcasing superhuman play. The site's unique library would be watered down significantly if it also contained movies indistinguishable from those on non-TAS speedrunning sites.
Those rules are in movie rules, not Standard rules. All movie rules still apply (tho they do need to be updated).
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Gruefood delight isn't even a tag or anything similar, it's just a page full of gruefood movies that people found interesting. Classes are for publication.
Newcomers is slightly different, might need some discussion on that one.
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I completely agree with you there, that's definitely one I want and will likely be one of the first we add.
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We are in the process of overhauling what we previously called our tier system to what we now call a class system with Standard class replacing Vault. Standard will over time allow for more goals than what was allowed in Vault. We will be overhauling a lot of wiki pages for the near future, so there will likely be incorrect or outdated information present on them. We will also be in the process of moving movies into their correct classes. Once we are largely done with both of those things, we will add new goals and rejudge old submissions that apply.
Discussion on what to implement into Standard and more general feedback is taking place in this thread.
Announcements and documentation relating to the overhaul process is taking place in this thread.
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Through a bunch of discussion it has been decided that the sanest way to implement this would be to start with the Vault goals of fastest completion and full completion, and then once we finish transitioning everything over, we will start adding new goals incrementally. We tried discussing initial categories all at once but it just led to a lot of confusion. Additionally by doing this in waves, we only have to rejudge for one goal at a time instead of all at once.
I apologize to anyone who hoped to see unrejections right away but its best to approach things in an orderly fashion.
We will begin adjusting site pages accordingly.
EDIT: News post done.
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I'll add my own separate todo:
[ ]Update references to obsolete terminology or systems
[x]Create changelog of sorts
I can handle the last one for sure once we have fully agreed upon the changes we're making, might need help with the former.
adelikat can merge this into his if he wants.
Should this also be announcements worthy once we're pretty much good to go?
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There has been a lot of rule changes recently. The recent changes to educational games making them more acceptable and now the upcoming changes to tiers. We would like to try to go through rejected submissions to find examples that require revisiting judgment, but due to the sheer amount this might not be entirely feasible.
This thread is for suggesting submissions to revisit based on changes to the rules. Please ONLY suggest submissions if a rule change has occurred and we missed this particular submission. This thread is not for soapboxing about existing rules you do not like, please create a different thread for that. Additionally the point of this thread is mainly for documentation so please keep chatter to a minimum. Any such posts will be considered off-topic and will be moved or outright grued.
I would like people to in their posts link the submission in question and also list what rule change should affect judgment of this submission. This will help us more efficiently tackle submissions.
Update per 10/2/2021: Forgoes Major Skip Glitch added to standard. Check the rules and the tag description for details. Feel free to suggest in the thread.
EDIT: Due to the massive amount of rule changes I feel I should probably just open this up more generally, but it still should be limited to things not requiring additional rule changes.
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So the thing about lotads is that really the difference between them and a TAS is that the creator declares it suboptimal up front as optimization wasn't a big focus. In that regard, the problem with LOTADs is that they're extremely easy to beat. Rather than make an entirely new system for them (any sort of publication invites competition and therefore easy obsoletion), I feel the solution is to make userfiles better and more easily searched and such.
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
Samsara wrote:
MESHUGGAH wrote:
Is there a discussion thread of the movie rule change about educational games?
No
Can I request a debate thread being made by a judge so I can read the staff's thoughts about the rule changes and reword and submit my post there? I'm looking particularly for Wheel of Fortune and another rejected educational TAS which name I currently can't recall. It was rejected by ThunderAxe31 if I'm correct. I'm trying to load the page http://tasvideos.org/RejectedSubmissions.html but it seems to load eternally.
Wheel of Fortune isn't covered by the recent rule changes (game shows are separately banned). If you can remember the other educational game however, you can post in like ask a judge or something.
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Welcome to the team CPP!
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That is in fact the place for WIPs, we just typically regard "Submission" to mean submission for site publication and for complete runs.
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Very high "meh" vote for me, not suuuuuuuper engaging but it has like one or two decent moments. Very borderline.
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Arc wrote:
I would incorporate Stars and Moons into the yearly Awards.
Stars are the top 5% of all publications.
Let's imagine that there were 2232 publications and 111 Stars on 1 Jan 2021.
Let's estimate that there will be 2432 publications on 1 Jan 2022.
5% would then be 121 Stars. So there would be room for 10 new Stars.
(a) There could be nominations specifically for Stars, and the 10 with the most votes would get Starred, or
(b) If you demand "console diversity" in Stars, you could just Star the 10 movies that get the most votes in the final TAS of the Year voting.
But yeah Stars and winners would heavily overlap.
The logical continuation of this thought is that Moons could be every movie that gets (legitimately) nominated for an award in any category.
Thus, Stars and Moons would both have a clear, indisputable meaning, and it would be based on the whole community's evaluation of those movies.
Since we have the full archive of the Awards, these could also be partially or wholly applied retroactively, if desired.
Given how easy it is to nominate a TAS (literally takes only 1 suggestion) I don't think making moons "is nominated" is a good idea. The stars suggestion is a bit more complicated and honestly out of the scope of this current thread.
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Samsara wrote:
Memory wrote:
OK so currently there is a split between moons and vault where speed/entertainment tradeoffs are not encouraged for vault (it is said that a run without said tradeoffs would obsolete one with) but encouraged for moons. How would we handle that with this new system?
It wouldn't be Vault anymore, so I see no reason not to allow them across all publications. Obsoletions would still need to be faster and have actual gameplay improvements (i.e, you can't just remove the tradeoffs and get accepted), but tradeoffs should freely be able to obsolete no tradeoffs (and vice versa). Vault in its current state kinda stifles creative freedom, where depending on the game, you almost have to make a choice between trying to be entertaining and having your movie published at all. This is kind of another major flaw of the Vault in my opinion: When it was implemented, the site went from "you MUST be entertaining at all costs" to "you MUST be entertaining but only if the game is entertaining, otherwise you can't be entertaining at all".
I completely agree with all of this! Especially how the current implementation of Vault stifles creativity!
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...WAIT I JUST REMEMBERED THE ONE THING THIS DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS.
OK so currently there is a split between moons and vault where speed/entertainment tradeoffs are not encouraged for vault (it is said that a run without said tradeoffs would obsolete one with) but encouraged for moons. How would we handle that with this new system?
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I agree with both the main post and also the suggestions to remove labels. I'll probably have more to say in the future but for right now, this is the kind of change I've been wanting to see out of tasvideos for a while.
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Samsara wrote:
Drop and give me 20 pushups in 600 frames or less.
The problem with asking a TASer to do pushups is that they're going to intentionally do bad pushups in order to save time.
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