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Will give feedback once I watch the DSM.
Edit: Frame 57 you press Start for no reason. Autofires A to start the game it seems. Waits a long amount of time to confirm that the data was created, losing time. Also waits a long amount of time to select 'Battle Royale'.
I don't need to watch much more, it's obvious that you didn't really try optimizing it, as you keep autofiring A the whole time. I would assume this is your first time submitting, so I sort of understand why this is so unoptimal.
Not to mention, the game choice doesn't really lend itself to a TAS very well. If this is supposed to be a playaround, it's not interesting enough for a Moon. If it's supposed to be a speedrun, why did you choose 30 turns?
Please read through http://tasvideos.org/NewcomerCorner.html and http://tasvideos.org/Guidelines.html before submitting again.
Giving this a No, of course.
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K what the heck are these complaints. He's using fissure because it's the fastest, and he's not using Persian because it's slower. This ain't a let's play people.
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grassini wrote:
hi samsara,i just meant that if the game's boring it's best to do all possible to speedup the gameplay,like using lag reduction techniques, but acceptance is not up to me,i just think if the game is boring it should be reduced as less as possible even if you have to play with the dying beep sounds of pokemon or something like that
????????
Looking good so far Samsara. The game's not nearly as terrible as I remember it.
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ACE =/= modding how many times does it need to be said. Do you need documentation to prove that you're wrong or something.
Like I said before, I get that you consider ACE cheap, or unimpressive, or non-traditional, but you can't say it doesn't count just because you don't like idea of the game jumping to the credits after a glitch. If it wasn't legitimate then ACE wouldn't have been accepted on the site in the first place.
Speaking of which, you didn't answer feos' question:
Do you by any chance want the site stop accepting ACE runs?
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In the IRC after SMB3 Total Control was published, an interesting discussion arose from the fact that we currently don't have any Newcomer'd ACE TASes. Initially the thought was to go to SMB3, but after further debate it was decided that a poll should be created to decide it.
Remember, this is different from selecting a Star run, as this run that will be newcomer'd is already agreed upon to be entertaining and high caliber. Instead, vote for the one that presents the idea of ACE to a newcomer as easily as possible.
Also, having none of them being newcomer'd is a perfectly acceptable response, so yeah.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
arandomgameTASer wrote:
Nah it can't be that we just don't understand his viewpoint and think that it's flawed. NOPE WE JUST HATE HIM LOLLLLLLL.
You people seem incapable of having a civile discussion with him, and instead just attack his opinion at every turn. Yes, you just hate him. Not agreeing with a viewpoint doesn’t mean you attack the other person’s viewpoint when all he’s trying to do is to have a conversation.
"You people" being one or two people. As in, me.
I'll admit, I tend to be quite snarky with my responses to Warp, but it's because I'm passionate about my opinions and feel frustrated that this viewpoint isn't understood. It is NOT because of some sort of blind hatred to him, as much as it appears to be.
As much as I disagree with Warp, I do respect him for expressing opinions that are quite controversial without feeling intimidated. That takes some courage, especially if that viewpoint for the most part isn't shared by the rest of the community.
Getting back on topic, I see where Warp is coming from for the most part in terms of speedruns changing. I understand that, but it doesn't mean I should completely agree with everything he thinks about how to resolve such a problem with traditional speedrunning disappearing, or agree with his views on nontraditional speedrunning such as ACE.
If you think that we're WRONG about our opinions on Warp's views, talk about it. That's the point of a discussion, after all.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
LOL this discussion is fucking retarded. People completely misunderstanding Warp and mods threatening to close the topic, lol.
This community truly has gone to shit.
Nah it can't be that we just don't understand his viewpoint and think that it's flawed. NOPE WE JUST HATE HIM LOLLLLLLL.
Plus so far you've contributed nothing to the topic except to chime in to say that we're hating on him, basically ignoring everything else about the discussion.
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Warp wrote:
If I modded a game so that it would simply show the end credits when it's started, would you consider that a legit game completion? Would you consider it having "beat the game"?
If your answer is "no", then think about the reasons why you think it's not, and perhaps then you'll understand why I don't consider ACE runs to be legit either.
That's not what an ACE is, at all. ACE =/= modding or cheating.
link_7777 wrote:
Since the developers had to write code for it and it had to be tested I'd say save features are a part of the game
Warp wrote:
So is the developer console in games like Half-Life 2, yet using it is banned.
dev console isn't completely used for cheating like noclip, you know. It's used for other stuff.
Warp wrote:
What is it with this obsession of locking threads? Aren't people allowed to have discussions? Even if it's just one person against everybody else, so what?
Discussion isn't the problem. The problem is that this discussion is going nowhere because it's obvious that you're not going to change your mind, and have a skewed perspective on what exactly ACE is. For some reason you think ACE is cheating and think it doesn't complete the game, when like 20 other people are explaining to you that no, no it isn't. What's the point of a topic that doesn't solve anything?
Warp wrote:
To clarify, what I meant by the trend being worrying is that these techniques seem to be becoming more and more prevalent, and I fear that at some point speedrunners will just stop making (what I consider) "clean" speedruns, and just litter speedruns with all these external non-gameplay glitching techniques.
Yes, because if ONE game uses save abuse then that means every single game will use it. It's a slippery slope, OF COURSE. I get that you enjoy speedruns that don't use glitches such as this, but, like, too bad I guess. Speedrunning is an art form. It evolves, it grows. Saying that all runs shouldn't use save exploits and other such things would be limiting it as an art form.
Warp wrote:
Modifying the game code itself using the emulator is also not considered legit.
'cept the glitch used to do an ACE has been VERIFIED ON A CONSOLE.
Link to video
So saying ACE is not legit is not a valid viewpoint, because it quite obviously is. If you don't like ACE runs, that's fine. But please don't say they're not 'real' speedruns just because you don't like them.
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Warp wrote:
However, ACE is its own completely separate category. It's not a game completion, and thus not a speedrun. At least not a speedrun that aims to complete the game. You might consider a "speedrun" that aims to run custom code as soon as possible, but that's not what's usually meant by the term.)
This thread seems to be taken less as a thread about "worrying trends" and more about "Warp is worrying" because speed running trends are all based on the context of what speed runners and their viewers enjoy, which seems to be obvious to everyone else. At this point, the thread is meant to help you understand and not stay worried about these trends which everyone else understands better and be contented.
This problem is minuscule compared to the problem of speed running and more importantly, TAS validity, being based on real physics, despite how digital and conceptual everyone would like to believe it to be. That, though, is also not discussed too much because there's nothing we can do about it and we all just want to have fun with games together.
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