Ok, so it didn't work with BizHawk 1.5.3 or 1.7.1, but works fine in PJ64 1.6... But yeah, I guess there's a problem with my settings. Anyway, it works now, thanks for your help!
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Hi,
Not really TAS-related, but I wanted to test some glitches and stuff and couldn't find any reliable NTSC ROM, every one that I could find had glitched audio and menu that made pause buffering and other things impossible. Do you know where I could [MOD EDIT: read the forum rules]?
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The glitch always jumps to open bus. The reason why the game can continue is just because it managed to get back to the normal code again, but the fact that it executed open bus makes it not different from the ACE run.
So you could say: "If you get the cloud you might as well get directly to the credits."
And you could say: "If you get the cloud you might decide not to use its ACE effect because the category you're TASing bans it."
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Obviously I could. But I don't know anything about SMW TASing (except that you have to jump continuously to keep your max-speed), and I couldn't reach the quarter level optimization that the previous warps run reached.
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Can this be used in any of the TASes ? (as a NG+ category, of course)
Link to video
EDIT: According to Delicious, it was done on 2.2 version which removes text-storage. Maybe a patched version is enough to create a new category, if the runs are different enough?
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New WR on any%, 9:59 by dram55 :
Link to video
Looks like we're on the road to see the TAS beaten by the RTA...
EDIT: Well‚ it got down to 9:56. We in there.
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But they would also use the cloud only as an item - and that would be a different category, because it would avoid ACE.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
The sole use of the cloud already leads to ACE. In fact, when others commented that real time runners don't use ACE, I think they just refer to them using ACE but only able to input 1 byte of instruction before the game stops reading from the controller after 1 frame.
You're wrong. It doesn't.
Then why couldn't we use the cloud in a non-ACE run ?
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that's what real-time runners do, they use the cloud glitch to get a cloud (main effect) without using ACE (side-effect), and they don't try to use it.
It's not that they "don't try" to use ACE. ACE in general is literally impossible for a human being to do in real time on a console with an unmodded stock controller. If it WAS possible, RTA runners wouldn't just be satisfied with getting the cloud and still being able to play, they'd be trying to call the credits early in every run.
But they would also use the cloud only as an item - and that would be a different category, because it would avoid ACE.
Well, there's no category where you do the save corruption in pokemon yellow then don't immediately warp to credits.
And there's no category in SotN where you do save corruption then don't immediately warp to credits.
Such a category in SMW would be using ACE and then not directly warping to the credits. Getting the cloud doesn't necesarily mean using ACE.
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that's what real-time runners do, they use the cloud glitch to get a cloud (main effect) without using ACE (side-effect), and they don't try to use it.
It's not that they "don't try" to use ACE. ACE in general is literally impossible for a human being to do in real time on a console with an unmodded stock controller. If it WAS possible, RTA runners wouldn't just be satisfied with getting the cloud and still being able to play, they'd be trying to call the credits early in every run.
But they would also use the cloud only as an item - and that would be a different category, because it would avoid ACE.
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1. As Masterjun said before‚ getting the cloud doesn't require ACE (looks like some people didn't get it‚ I can understand that it's not obvious). So you can get the cloud and not use ACE‚ because avoiding ACE is one of the aims of the "warps" category.
Masterjun wrote:
The glitch always jumps to open bus. The reason why the game can continue is just because it managed to get back to the normal code again, but the fact that it executed open bus makes it not different from the ACE run.
So you could say: "If you get the cloud you might as well get directly to the credits."
Real time runs that use the clouds are actually attempts at the 'arbitrary code execution' category, except the most they can do with it is get the cloud because they're weak meatbags that can't jump to the credits in real time.
I don't agree with this. If a glitch has a side-effect, you can decide not to use it because you aim for fastest time without using this side-effect, but use the main effect : that's what real-time runners do, they use the cloud glitch to get a cloud (main effect) without using ACE (side-effect), and they don't try to use it.
In my opinion, what matters to decide which category you're in is your intention. If you decide not to use ACE (by waiting for the game to switch back to normal code for ACE), then you're in the warped category, because you're trying to beat the game as fast as possible without using ACE.
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While I don't agree with andrew about the ACE run beating the game or not‚ I think that we should use the cloud in a warped run for two reasons :
1. As Masterjun said before‚ getting the cloud doesn't require ACE (looks like some people didn't get it‚ I can understand that it's not obvious). So you can get the cloud and not use ACE‚ because avoiding ACE is one of the aims of the "warps" category.
2. I personally think that this site should always provide to viewers a run of the fastest category possible in real-time‚ or at least that only uses tricks possible in real-time with semi-consistency.
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Orb glitch has nothing to do with ACE. Another form of the item-swap glitch, called the cloud glitch, can lead to ACE. But getting the orb doesn't require ACE, and can't lead to ACE.
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The main problem is that both SMW runs don't use the same trick at all. The "game end glitch" one uses memory corruption to order the game to warp to the credits, while the "warps" one uses memory corruption to get an item that allows a level to be skipped. Memory corruption doesn't directly leads to a level skip - it just makes a glitched item appear in the item box.
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I have a simple question, I read the whole thread but couldn't find an anwser : Is ACE needed to get the cloud, or is it getting the cloud that leads to ACE?
ACE is needed to get the cloud.
Since when?
It isn't ? Then the cloud can be used in a warps run. You just have to say "I use a glitch that allows me to get a cloud as a power-up. As a side effect, it can lead to ACE, but in this run I decided not to use it."
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I have a simple question, I read the whole thread but couldn't find an anwser : Is ACE needed to get the cloud, or is it getting the cloud that leads to ACE?
ACE is needed to get the cloud.
Well, then I guess it would be logical not to use the cloud in a "warps" run that would avoid ACE. Though I think there will be a problem when the RTA any% will get under 10:00, since people will say "what, the TAS is only few seconds faster than the RTA (if not slower)? There's a problem here."
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I have a simple question, I read the whole thread but couldn't find an anwser : Is ACE needed to get the cloud, or is it getting the cloud that leads to ACE?
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