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Yeah no.
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grassini wrote:
i think we should have one of each demonstration,one ACE,one superplay,one any% glitched as hell,one any% just pure optimization that looks clearly inhuman..
No.
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and now for an equally long rebuttal. Sorry readers.
moozooh wrote:
It appears as if we are once again losing the functional purpose of all these different signs of differentiation and confusing them for regalia/badges of appreciation. Which they are not.
That's a good point, they should certainly be more tailored to newcomers. Although there is quite a lot of overlap between them.
moozooh wrote:
[2320] SNES Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island "100%" by Baxter, Carl_Sagan & NxCy in 1:59:35.12
This is a great example of failing criterion #2 spectacularly. Even I had to finish it in two sittings because the action was so dense and there were so many things I had to pay attention to, despite being one of the most vocal supporters of the run during its creation. This run is as great as it is physically tiring to watch. I never had a chance to notice it from WIPs because the WIPs ended before I could be overwhelmed.
That being said, it should probably stay on the list exactly because the good things in it are non-area-specific and work even in small portions. The first 10-15 minutes fully convey the message, so whatever you think of them will likely extend to the rest of the run.
It took them over 3 years, it has fantastic tricks, and it stays surprising. If you can watch a 150 minute movie in theaters, you can watch this.
moozooh wrote:
[2741] Genesis Sonic 3 & Knuckles by Aglar & marzojr in 26:53.06
There's a very good reason why my entertainment rating for this branch started at 10 with nitsuja's first attempt and gradually arrived at 9 by now: because every single trick is being gradually replaced by zipping and Tails-facilitated OOB travel. They are nowhere near as interesting to look at as good old TAS-precise platforming. In my opinion, this flag should either be moved to an earlier iteration of this branch or to some other run of S3&K or S2 entirely (although by this time all Sonic games are just one huge zip).
But that's the reason WHY it's recommended. It doesn't resemble normal Sonic 3 gameplay at all, which is the whole point. The movie it obsoletes is basically the same. Picking an obsoleted movie to represent the site is stupid, since it's in the past.
moozooh wrote:
[1851] N64 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask by MrGrunz in 1:29:32.02
I haven't watched this run so I won't comment on it. My unwillingness to watch it is probably not an indication of anything. But ratings and comments seem to suggest that the overwhelming positive response comes from the fans of the game, with the rest either not watching it at all or being subdued in their reaction.
It's good. Also took 3 years to make.
moozooh wrote:
[1649] NES Mega Man 2 by aglasscage, finalfighter, pirohiko & Shinryuu in 23:48.51
Nice pick. Glitches are sufficiently varied, length is good, there's nice music and many TAS-only tricks. I was never nostalgic about this game (I only played it very briefly before watching a TAS for the first time), but I was sufficiently entertained.
k.
moozooh wrote:
[2078] SNES Super Metroid "reverse boss order" by Saturn in 46:42.38
Okay pick. The length is rather imposing, and the goal may be hard to comprehend without prior knowledge of the game, but every minute of the action is entertaining enough in its own right and screams TAS-level precision. I'd say it's one of the more newcomer-friendly runs of Metroid series made on arguably the best game in the series, on par with the in-game run.
the goal is literally "reverse boss order". So you fight the bosses. In reverse order. Elsewise I agree, it's good.
moozooh wrote:
I find the 70 stars no BLJ more impressive, and I'm not a fan of Mario 64. But I do think it's a good newcomer movie.
moozooh wrote:
[2995] GBA Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow "all souls" by Fz-Last, alkdc, Pike in 18:45.26
Compared to its predecessor, I find it barely acceptable at best. It's very hard to follow without intimate knowledge of the game, boss fights take either too long or too short, much of the soul usage variety is gone, one of the best fights is skipped, and general character progression dynamics is all over the place. It's most certainly a TAS for the fans in the first place. It also contains at least two known unimplemented improvements as well as a couple more potential improvements. I believe the RFN flag should either remain at the previous movie or be transferred to the warpless any% which has almost none of the problems while containing virtually all the same benefits as this and the warpless all-souls.
warpless any% is boring, plus I don't think we should newcomer obsoleted movies. It doesn't represent the site anymore, as much as you'd like to believe it does. The 'longest' fight is less then 30 seconds. Unless you have ADHD, I don't see how that's a problem.
I say we wait for more reception to come in for this movie, it's too new. If its ratings stay relatively high, why not have it?
moozooh wrote:
Agreed. Important to the site, and a good introduction movie.
moozooh wrote:
[1917] Windows Cave Story "best ending" by nitsuja in 50:10.30
Okay pick. Again, the length is about to fail criterion #2, and the run only picks up pace upon reaching the machine gun 17 minutes in. Nothing really spectacular is going on before that. But the game is really well-designed and has incredibly good music, which helps alleviate the initial boredom, and it has author's commentary as well, so I believe it should stay so far.
It's an interesting movie that is somewhat slow paced, but gets faster paced. You're basically complaining what you complimented the old Aria of Sorrow movie having, a progression of skills.
moozooh wrote:
I disagree, coming up with utter nonsense in 1 second and getting it accepted makes it totally TAS-exclusive.
moozooh wrote:
[1546] NES Gimmick! "100%" by Aglar & Hotarubi in 07:44.45
Excellent pick. The game has a lot of room for tool-assisted precision to shine, and the run uses all of it spectacularly, the run is short, action-packed, the game has excellent music and cute graphics.
Agreed.
moozooh wrote:
[2676] NES Super Mario Bros. "warpless, walkathon" by Mars608 & HappyLee in 25:19.23
Has any newcomer ever watched all of it? Not only the flag; the existence of this movie and the fact that a shorter branch was sacrificed for it confuses me. The warped version was a neat novelty run and was good because in the six minutes of its runtime it could show pretty much every known way to overcome the in-game obstacles without pressing B. What exactly is being accomplished by having a movie four times its length escapes me. It doesn't contain four times the tricks. It doesn't even contain four times the amount of situations previously considered impassable without B. It can't allure even all the people who love Mario, judging from the sheer number of rating votes on it and the fact that it has the poorest entertainment rating of all SMB movies at 7.2. 7.2 is barely above average and probably below median as far as site-wide rating statistics goes.
It shows what TASes can do. Remember, a walkathon was believed to be impossible before a TAS of it was made.
5. Movies absent from the current list.
Some movies, including a few obsolete ones, that I believe are quite fit for being recommended for newcomers.
moozooh wrote:
[2715] Windows VVVVVV "20 trinkets, no death mode" by Masterjun in 17:33.77: although not always easily distinguishable from the current unassisted runs (they are actually very very good), it has everything a good newcomer movie should: aesthetics, optimization, style, excellent music and visuals, and decent length.
see you just gave the reason why it shouldn't be recommended. It's too similar to the unassisted runs, as good as it is. Newcomer movies should be showing cool TAS-only stuff.
moozooh wrote:
[1438] SNES International Superstar Soccer Deluxe "playaround" by Marcokarty in 15:24.38: Amazing playaround. Zero game knowledge and only a very rudimentary understanding of soccer rules is necessary to enjoy it. My mother, a soccer fan, enjoyed it a lot—and I assure you, she never really played anything other than Minesweeper. If this isn't telling, I don't know what is.
Agreed.
moozooh wrote:
[711] NES Gradius by adelikat in 10:52.35: Remember how this was among the first picks to show verified at AGDQ? For a good reason. It's short, extremely entertaining, shows unconventional TAS-only behavior and whatnot. It's also a popular game of an easy-to-understand genre.
Eh.
moozooh wrote:
[1103] NES Mega Man by Deign in 15:29.27: on par with the MM2 run, probably even better in terms of length and the tricks used. Not as broken as the newer one, and is better because of it.
Actually no the newer movie is more interesting for the simple reason BECAUSE it's more broken, but also shows all of the game basically.
moozooh wrote:
[1595] Genesis Sonic 3 & Knuckles by nitsuja, upthorn & marzojr in 32:05.52: the last "perfect" S3&K run which somewhat maintained the balance of zips and everything else and kept all the best stylistics from the earlier movies in my opinion. Optimization-wise it has held up very well, at least for people not intimately familiar with S3&K TASing.
Obviously it wasn't optimized very well if it got obsoleted. With the same zip tricks.
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True wrote:
Oh, another one of these overly-talky platformer Mario games.
Sorry, couldn't watch past the first level, but I am certain it would have been assisted suicide.
Wow way to be as rude as possible.
I thought it was a well made run. Once you get past the talking, there's a lot to it. Yes vote.
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The Ripto's Rage one makes sense, since it shaves off 3/4 of the game via a new glitch and has radically different goals as a result. The Crash 2 box glitch category also makes sense, since it shaves off all the levels except the bosses.
All the other ones are entirely different from this situation, as they all use a game end glitch to beat the game. This run beats the game with 100% souls still, only using bat zipping to get around faster.
Let me give examples where a movie obsoletes a previous movie via new glitches that were discovered, but still retain most of the gameplay.
[2655] NES Deadly Towers (Japan) "inventory glitch" by ars4326 in 08:09.53[503] NES Deadly Towers (USA) by Luke in 15:20.27[2592] SNES Chrono Trigger by keylie in 2:17:08.86[450] SNES Chrono Trigger by hero of the day in 4:21:11.83[889] GBA Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance by zggzdydp in 15:44.15[728] GBA Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance by JXQ in 30:43.92
So what makes this run so different? From what I understand, 2 things.
1. It's a starred 'recommended for newcomers' run.
This means that it's held to a higher standard then most runs, and thus people feel the need to defend it.
2. It's a well known movie
Kriole's old movie is nearly 5 years old.
I honestly don't see any reason to NOT obsolete Kriole's old run, other then nostalgia. This run is faster. This is TASvideos, not 'let's make a branch because I don't want to obsolete a run I really like" videos.
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I think it makes sense to obsolete the previous one now, actually. Most people are just hesitant to do that because it's such a well known movie by now, but if this movie is faster then it should obsolete it.
This is completely different from, like, a game end glitch movie, where having a separate category makes sense. This is still the same run goals, only with more glitches.
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Giving this a No. If the goal of the run was to beat the Dream Devourer as quickly as possible, then you shouldn't be doing any sidequests. If the point was to show off as much of the new content as possible, why not do a DS 100% run? It would certainly have enough differences to justify its own branch.
Also glossing over the Arena Duplication glitch is a gigantic oversight. Simply speaking, it allows you to duplicate any item your monster brings back. So for example a Power Capsule can be duplicated to x99 very easily. Doing that would have skipped any and all grinding and sped up a ton of fights.
If this does get published, then it should certainly be a new game category altogether. 'Best Ending' would probably be the best choice.
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If you're going to make a playaround, either optimize it or make it entertaining enough that we don't care if it's optimized or not. As it stands, it's neither.
No vote.
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GIF of a glitch from Shantae.